And that's...Pretty much the opposite of you and fireproof......lots of negativity on Reddit and YouTube.....
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Is it time to put Star Trek to rest?
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Depends on how you feel about the show.
I can post a picture of a puppy and there'd be negative comments on YouTube or Reddit. They're hardly a good metric for how popular something is or isn't.
Star Trek will not be laid to rest in our current capitalist social media world, because not even the people who own the various rights to this franchise care enough about canon anymore… they will keep churning out show after show whilst they still can, in order for different networks to make pockets of money from isolated bubbles of Star Trek based media, uniquely produced with their own differing target audiences, politics and agenda, until the franchise is diluted into a abhorrent mess of confused continuity, a Trek universe no longer unified, but instead fragmented, likely resulting in the destruction of canon itself.
Shows are only put into hiatus when the producers care about the material being produced, when they no longer care… let the free for all commence! Ka’ching!
Star Trek is no longer about building on a shared universe with a coherent internal vision, this show is now about carving up the IP into marketable chunks, each tailored to different demographics, platforms, and political leanings.
Shows are only put into hiatus when the producers care about the material being produced, when they no longer care… let the free for all commence! Ka’ching!
Star Trek is no longer about building on a shared universe with a coherent internal vision, this show is now about carving up the IP into marketable chunks, each tailored to different demographics, platforms, and political leanings.
But enough about Roddenberry.
Not really.
It's still being made. If people actually were that negative they would *checks notes* stop watching. The fact that engagement with the material demonstrates an extreme disconnect between belief and action.
It's like when I worked on retail and people would complain about exclusions on coupons for name brands, usually Nike. Would they change their behavior and not buy Nike? Nope, they'd just complain and keep repeating the same behavior. That's why things don't change. There is an unwillingness to go without.
I think people forgot that when RTD originally brought Doctor Who back, he essentially threw 95% of the old lore away. He ignored almost everything about Time Lords and how regeneration worked (not that the latter was ever particually well defined, lol), he also removed them and the Daleks from the equation, as well as completely rebooted the Cybermen. It was Moffatt who brought all of the old lore back and tied everything back together. So, I wasn't particularly surprised that he still wasn't particualy beholden to the lore, it's just now-a-days fans no longer are as accepting of deviation from holy writ, and RTD didn't realize the mavity of the situation.
This is essentially the same thing that played out with TNG, which ignored/changed tons of stuff from TOS, but back then fans were willing to accept it, but obviously no longer.
Russell T Davies would be the perfect person to take creative control of Star Trek: Star Fleet Academy then alongside Trendy Newsome? We know that he is a Star Trek fan as he hung around with Terry Matalas at that convention in Blackpool last year. RTD has precedent for both reviving and destroying legacies, but Trendy could keep him on track with minimum canon violations in order to ‘keep the warp drive pulsing’, so to speak?
Trondy?Russell T Davies would be the perfect person to take creative control of Star Trek: Star Fleet Academy then alongside Trondy Newsome? We know that he is a Star Trek fan as he hung around with Terry Matalas at that convention in Blackpool last year. RTD has precedent for both reviving and destroying legacies, but Trondy could keep him on track with minimum canon violations in order to ‘keep the warp drive pulsing’, so to speak?
Can you at least be bothered to get the names right?
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Probably not.Russell T Davies would be the perfect person to take creative control of Star Trek: Star Fleet Academy then alongside Trendy Newsome? We know that he is a Star Trek fan as he hung around with Terry Matalas at that convention in Blackpool last year. RTD has precedent for both reviving and destroying legacies, but Trendy could keep him on track with minimum canon violations in order to ‘keep the warp drive pulsing’, so to speak?
I'm not sure I agree that it was ever about building a shared universe with a coherent internal vision (DS9 doesn't feel much more egregious than Discovery/Picard to me in terms of sidelining the Star Trek setting to tell a much more generic story), but what you say here is interesting.
The attempt does seem to be to create a Star Trek for everyone - Discovery is a somewhat-gloomy prestige TV thing for a general audience, Picard started out as... something, and ended as a fanfic-y nostalgia bait, SNW is intended as a cop to classic Star Trek fans and anyone else who misses 90s genre TV, Lower Decks is tapping into the Rick & Morty demographic, Prodigy is for kids, and SFA is for, I suppose, YA drama fans.
Makes sense commercially on paper, but again, I wonder if the brand dilution effect causes it to backfire. I really, really wish they'd release some concrete figures comparing the new shows with the old ones on streaming services - like, do TOS - ENT get more views on Netflix than the new shows do on their own services, or vice versa?
The major studios aren't taking much risk these days.
If you want to see risk taking, you have to watch A24 films. The major studios are spewing remakes and sequels these days.
Yes, and no.....
Hard to make it much clearer. The way I feel about most current Trek (technically, going back to Voyager) is that the stories just lack .... story.
"A plot" and "B plot" - mixing too much Soap Opera content - excessive use of "Treknobabble" instead of advancing a single primary plot with smart dialog. Too much 'cool' contemporary expressions and way too much cursing (looking at you Disco).
Basically, just bad writing and a lack of focus. Add in over the top effects and pointless junk like Disco's ridiculous turbo-elevator storage 'cavern' and the like and it's just hollow nothingness instead of a good story.
There may be a decent message inserted here or there but, even those should be worked in more fluidly with a story.
Above all, Star Trek should be about a future that is more hopeful than the mess this world is in now. It should be about learning and discovering more about the universe and about ourselves.
The action/adventure aspect gives it something to draw people in but, 'pew pew' is not enough...
"That puppy is a woke leftist SJW trying to bring about the collapse of democracy!"
It's become special effects over story, whereas in the 90s with limited budgets, the story had to work because the special effects budget wasn't there, nor was the technology.
However, I'd argue that SNW has more hits than misses than the current iteration of Doctor Who. SNW stories are better overall. But neither is Andor, which has both a good story and a huge budget.
Oooh. Really? Where?!?
No, it's clearly a fascist capitalist war monger entrenching canine norms and the puppyarchy.
Well, he at least held it at bay and then rebuilt it as he went along. It certainly looked like he was starting from a clean slate. But then he brought back the Daleks, the Cybermen, the Master, and eventually the Time Lords. Oh, I forgot the Sontarans.
Eeesh. The way things are going we're going to get a Star Trek re-boot that tells us how terrible the Federation and Starfleet were. It'll go right along with the Timelords and Krypton. "Back in the 23rd and 24th century, under the expansionist Federation military dictatorship..."
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Not every show can be Andor, not even other Star Wars shows. Probably best to stop holding Andor as the paragon all entertainment should strive to be. Sure, it's a great show, but we'll gain nothing if everyone starts trying to emulate it.
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