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[Fateor]

So...they turn evil?


Absurd.

No, they take big risks to try and get a big accomplishment under their belts.

So who is to say Nog didn't refuse a promotion?

There's a shit ton of assumptions here, especially around worth and value without any proof.

The fact that the writers already outlined what kind of person Nog was.

Why would it be different? You move up in rank and responsibility.

Because we've never seen a non-commissioned officer promoted.

Thus we can't say with any degree of certainty how it works for them.

 

[The Wormhole]

Because we've never seen a non-commissioned officer promoted.

We've never seen it happen, but we know O'Brien was offered an officer's commission, he turned it down. So it can happen.

 

[fireproof78]

No, they take big risks to try and get a big accomplishment under their belts.

That doesn't track with many of the admirals presented on screen.

The fact that the writers already outlined what kind of person Nog was.

And people stay the same?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Because we've never seen a non-commissioned officer promoted.

Do you think O'Brien started as a Non-Com? He had to start as a crewman and get promoted to reach Chief Petty Officer. The majority of NCOs don't move over to commissioned officer. It's a separate career path.
That said. Yeoman Rand went from enlisted to officer. Winding up as Commander

 

[Danja]

Such a shame that we did not get a true Star Trek: Legacy show, and I don’t mean the concept that Terry Matalas came up with which was not a true representation of what I had envisaged for a continuation of 24th/25th century Trek, though Seven of Nine of course would still have been the Captain.

If we get a Seven show, I can't guarantee it'll be called Star Trek: Legacy.

That said, "We still have the sets!" is not the greatest selling point for a new Star Trek series. (They might not necessarily NEED them all. New sets will still need to be constructed regardless.)

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[Fateor]

That doesn't track with many of the admirals presented on screen.

The fact that "one of those bad admirals" is an in universe meme disagrees with you.

And people stay the same?

Given we saw potential future Nog in a DS9, you might not want to try that particular argument.

Do you think O'Brien started as a Non-Com? He had to start as a crewman and get promoted to reach Chief Petty Officer. The majority of NCOs don't move over to commissioned officer. It's a separate career path.
That said. Yeoman Rand went from enlisted to officer. Winding up as Commander

General reminder that there was an entirely separate Academy for non-commissioned officers on Mars.

 

[Nerys Myk]

General reminder that there was an entirely separate Academy for non-commissioned officers on Mars.

And?

 

[DigificWriter]

I also get the impression that the Chancellor of the Academy would have originally been played by Kate Mulgrew, should this show be set in the prime timeline and not in far future Disco verse?

The show is set in the Prime Timeline.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

And being an Admiral is bad because Starfleet is full of people who want to be out there doing things instead of being relegated to overseeing others who are out there doing things.

Yes we see people doing the jobs that they want to do, why they would want to be promoted and do anything else? There's a lot of scientists, engineers, and doctors throughout the series who care more about what they're doing than their rank. We see characters who come to not care about their rank like Tilly, we see characters who don't care and then do after some character progression like Troi, we see characters who regret moving up like Kirk, we see characters who seem perfectly comfortable where they are but are pressured to move up like Riker who instead just stays a first officer and passes up multiple commands for a decade and a half, and we see characters who are doing things like transporter operation on Earth as a soft retirement like Carlton Dennis.

We also see that these characters are sometimes ranked up anyway which results in a ship being run by multiple captains and commanders without any change in responsibility or duties.

For a lot of characters assignment seems far more important than actual rank. We see this throughout Lower Decks in particular, early on even with the episode involving the Vancouver,or when Boimler gets transferred to the Titan, and it seems like more than anything the Cerritos just isn't viewed as an ideal post. There's even a party where only Captains of ships deemed prestigious enough are allowed in!

In fact, we are all but literally hit across the face with this fact in Lower Decks with Admiral Buenamigo and Admiral Milius.

Milius explicitly cares about his assignment rather than his rank, and Buenamigo is a good example of someone who clearly does care about his rank, too much in fact, and it leads him to take drastic illegal actions. One might argue that the pattern of bad admirals like him is a side-effect of a system where only people who care about being in positions of prestige actually move up into those positions.

 

[fireproof78]

The fact that "one of those bad admirals" is an in universe meme disagrees with you.

Hence the use of the term "many" not all.

Given we saw potential future Nog in a DS9, you might not want to try that particular argument.

A simple question.

 

[Jayson1]

I rolled my eyes at the reference to James T Kirk shoved down your throat within seconds. Then it just went down, down, down...

This is exactly the same bullshit that makes me hate most of modern Trek. A snake eating its own tail.

Kirk. Data. Troi. Kim. Sito Jaxa. etc. etc. Sisko! Alien breaking the fourth wall by humming the tune.

All utter bullshit.

And I used to call it fan wank, but what true fan wants this?

Then you probably won't like the episode were Shatner guest stars as a Kirk hologram, helping the kids learn a lesson in the Starfleet history class.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Then you probably won't like the episode were Shatner guest stars as a Kirk hologram, helping the kids learn a lesson in the Starfleet history class.

Is he the Love Instructor?

 

[Jayson1]

I'm sort of wondering if they decided to roll with the possibility that Nog, uh, had something happen to him a la the DS9 documentary's hypothetical eighth-season idea.

But he was still a Captain in that scenario I really didn't like the idea of Nog making Captain. Especially doesn't make sense due to him having a ship named after him. But it did make me think of something. What if he left Starfleet to replace his dad someday as the new Grand Nagus. As Grand Nagus it was Nog who was instrumental in getting the Ferengi to join the Federation.

 

[Jayson1]

Is he the Love Instructor?

No. That character is played by a Riker hologram. Strarfleet deemed him, histories greatest, lover.

 

[fireproof78]

What if he left Starfleet to replace his dad someday as the new Grand Nagus. As Grand Nagus it was Nog who was instrumental in getting the Ferengi to join the Federation.

That was my first thought. That he saw his dad make changes and he felt driven to do the same.

 

[cooleddie74]

Is he the Love Instructor?

No, that's Neelix.


Because I wanted to see the quadrant burn.

 

[ananta]

I’m gonna be blunt. I think this wall of names is an awful idea. It’s incredibly fannish in execution and creates a tremendous sense of Small Universe Syndrome. There have been hundreds of years of Starfleet and Starfleet Academy and yet we recognise 95% of the names from previous shows.

If I’d been responsible I’d have made at most about 15-20% of the names familiar. Give a sense of scale to this size and history of this universe. Or, more probably, I just wouldn’t have done the whole wall concept altogether. I think it’s a little tragic that it’s generated infinitely more fan discussion than any of the rest of the show itself.

 

[Tosk]

Maybe the wall changes every so often. They have programmable matter, so even a physical wall could be cycled. And we're just happening to catch it on a heavy nostalgia rotation.

 

[ananta]

Maybe the wall changes every so often. They have programmable matter, so even a physical wall could be cycled. And we're just happening to catch it on a heavy nostalgia rotation.

Okay, that’s a cool idea and helps alleviate my issue. Possible head canon.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The "wall of fame" makes me deeply uncomfortable.

I know it was meant as a nice easter egg, but by including the names of so many well-known characters, it means we know whose careers end up cut short. Though I suppose it's realistic that not everyone can max out at admiral, or even captain,

More troubling, the inclusion of many characters we knew who died (like Red Squad, Sito, Yar) pretty strongly suggests this isn't just a list of famous Starfleet officers, but those who died in the course of duty. So Riker never gets to retire for realsies. Tom Paris, Bashir, Torres, Nog - all of them end up dying in the course of duty at some point offscreen.

I think this a big reach. Garak being included on the wall suggests that it has another meaning. He never went to the academy and there is no way Garak would have given his life in service to the Federation. I think it's important to remember that VFX shots in preliminary trailers often is not final and it's possible that we'll see tweaks to it. Also Kurtzman has stated that honoring Aaron Eisenberg was a priority for him hence why we got the USS Nog and the Eisenberg Class. There's no way they would do something that could be deemed offensive to Aaron and the character.