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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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They are not recasting Tony Stark and Steve Rogers, or at least there have been no announcements in the Variety article or anywhere else that I'm aware of. The only recasting he announced was the X-Men, which is what a lot of us were already expecting. He also said that he won't call what happens after Secret Wars a reboot, and said it's a "reset" and compared it to what happened after the Secret Wars comic, so I'm thinking we'll see the X-Men and FF universes merged with the 616 universe, and some of the history changed to incorporate those character, but it won't be a full hard reboot.
One other point of interest in the article I haven't seen mentioned yet, is that Feige said the Mile Morales has been made off limits by Sony until after the animated Spider-Vers series is over, so he won't be showing up any time soon.
He also said characters "introduced after The Eternals" will be seen again, but wouldn't say which ones.
And he talked about how much they like Iman Vellani, so it sounds like there's at least a decent chance Kamala might show up somewhere else.
Multiverse of Madness and Love & Thunder were also after The Eternals, so hopefully that will so include Clea and Hercules.
In case anyone was curious here's everything we've gotten since The Eternals:
Movies:
Spider-Man: No Way Home
Doctor Strange in the Multiverse of Madness
Black Panther: Wakanda Forever
Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantimania
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
The Marvels
Deadpool & Wolverine
Capt. America: Brave New World
Thunderbolts * (*New Avengers)

Disney+ Series:
Hawkeye
Moon Knight
Ms. Marvel
She Hulk: Attorney At Law
Secret Invasion
Loki Season 2
What If? Season 2
Echoe
Agatha All Along
Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
Daredevil: Born Again
Ironheart

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@Defcon, I saw you put Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man right before Spider-Man: Homecoming, and I just wanted to make sure you're aware that it takes in it's not a prequel to the MCU Spider-Man movie, it takes place in it's own separate universe. I saw you included it and What If?, but not X-Men '97 which is part of the definitely Multiverse we see in What If? and the movies.
 
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JD said:
but not X-Men '97 which is part of the definitely Multiverse we see in What If? and the movies.
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Based on what, the glimpse of the Watcher in an episode of '97? I don't think that's definitive, since the Watcher got a cameo or two in the original series as well.
 
X-Men '97 isnt an MCU project despite being announced alongside Phase 5.

By contrast, Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man very much is an MCU project despite taking place in an alternate universe.
 
How is X-Men '97 not a MCU project but Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man is? X-Men '97 is produced by Marvel Studios team, included all of the MCU titles cards and things like, and it included a cameo from What If?'s Watcher. YFNSM didn't include The Watcher or anything else other than the Marvel Television title cards, so X-Men '97 is more closely tied to the MCU than it is.
Christopher said:
Based on what, the glimpse of the Watcher in an episode of '97? I don't think that's definitive, since the Watcher got a cameo or two in the original series as well.
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Yeah, it was same design of The Watcher we saw in What If? and appeared in the sky the same way he did in the What If? episodes. And it's also been included in most of the official MCU lists and things that have come out since it was released.

Damage Control Agent P. Cleary played Adrian Moayed, who appeared in Spider-Man: No Way Home and Ms. Marvel will also be appearing Wonder Man. I don't remember the character, but it's always nice to fun when they can make these kind of smaller connections between the shows and movies.
 
JD said:
How is X-Men '97 not a MCU project but Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man is?
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Because Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man was originally developed to feature the Sacred Timeline version of Peter before being retooled to instead feature a Variant Peter, while X-Men '97 is a direct continuation of X-Men: The Animated Series and shares the continuity of both that series and Spider-Man: The Animated Series.
 
JD said:
How is X-Men '97 not a MCU project but Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man is?
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YFNSM is overtly in a What If...?-style variant of the MCU's continuity, with essentially the same history until a divergence point occurred and things went differently thereafter. '97 is a continuation of the original animated series's continuity, which of course is extremely different from the MCU because it predated the MCU by 16 years (and was in the same universe as Spider-Man: The Animated Series).

Yes, of course it's trendy these days to force all adaptations together under the "multiverse" umbrella whether it makes sense or not, but I resist presuming that as a default, because it's quite artificial and is an imposition on the various, originally separate continuities rather than something that grows legitimately out of their narratives. (As was pointed out earlier, it doesn't make sense to conflate the X-Men movies into the MCU's multiverse when they follow contradictory laws of time travel.) I would rather appreciate X-Men '97 as a faithful continuation of the '92 show's continuity than worry about how it connects to a different continuity.
 
JD said:
They are not recasting Tony Stark and Steve Rogers, or at least there have been no announcements in the Variety article or anywhere else that I'm aware of.
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variety.com

Marvel Plans to Recast the X-Men and (Eventually) Tony Stark After ‘Avengers: Secret Wars,’ But ‘Reboot Is a Scary Word,’ Says Kevin Feige

Marvel Studios chief Kevin Feige confirmed that, following “Avengers: Secret Wars,” the company will recast the X-Men and eventually characters like Tony Stark.
variety.com variety.com
 
Christopher said:
YFNSM is overtly in a What If...?-style variant of the MCU's continuity, with essentially the same history until a divergence point occurred and things went differently thereafter. '97 is a continuation of the original animated series's continuity, which of course is extremely different from the MCU because it predated the MCU by 16 years (and was in the same universe as Spider-Man: The Animated Series).

Yes, of course it's trendy these days to force all adaptations together under the "multiverse" umbrella whether it makes sense or not, but I resist presuming that as a default, because it's quite artificial and is an imposition on the various, originally separate continuities rather than something that grows legitimately out of their narratives. (As was pointed out earlier, it doesn't make sense to conflate the X-Men movies into the MCU's multiverse when they follow contradictory laws of time travel.) I would rather appreciate X-Men '97 as a faithful continuation of the '92 show's continuity than worry about how it connects to a different continuity.
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But didn't a variant of Storm from X-Men '97 appear in What If...?
 
Anwar said:
That's like saying Star Trek TNG should have never happened and it just recast Kirk, Spock and McCoy
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It's not the same. When TNG came out, there was only the original series, TAS, and a few movies. TNG was a project to expand the universe. But the MCU has over 50 movies and TV series. At some point, it's inevitable that some characters will be recast, especially regarding their actors. They're not talking about a full reboot, anyway.
 
Yep, when TNG first premiered there were just 80 live action episodes, 22 animated episodes and 4 movies in the rear view mirror, and those animated stories weren't considered canon at the time, leaving the Star Trek universe at roughly 84 canonical adventures when the new series dropped in the fall of 1987.
 
Turtletrekker said:
But didn't a variant of Storm from X-Men '97 appear in What If...?
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Yes, but as I said, I'm not interested in obsessing over what universes are linked to each other. Frankly, sometimes it seems that fans today don't understand that this is imaginary and think that if one or two storytellers choose to make references to earlier works of make-believe, that somehow constitutes irrefutable scientific evidence of a shared reality and is more important to talk about than the actual content of the individual stories. No. It's just stories referencing each other, which is something stories have been doing throughout history. A "multiverse" is nothing more than a plot device that some works of fiction choose to use. It's not some mandatory framework that every fictional creation has to be forced into, and I find the modern obsession with it quite tiresome.

X-Men '97 was created to be a continuation of the 1992 animated series. It is brilliantly successful at that. Whether there are occasional passing references linking it to the MCU "multiverse" is not more important than that. It is not the purpose of the exercise.



cooleddie74 said:
Yep, when TNG first premiered there were just 80 live action episodes, 22 animated episodes and 4 movies in the rear view mirror, and those animated stories weren't considered canon at the time, leaving the Star Trek universe at roughly 84 canonical adventures when the new series dropped in the fall of 1987.
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That's a myth. The "not canon" memo was issued by Gene Roddenberry in 1989, at which point he'd been eased back from control of the franchise and was little more than a figurehead. In fact, it was probably really the work of Roddenberry's assistant Richard Arnold exercising his own personal dislike of TAS and pretending it was Roddenberry's will. The memo was never actually binding on Trek canon, since there were TAS references in the shows during the time it was supposedly "banned," like TNG: "Unification" alluding to "Yesteryear" and DS9 mentioning that Kor's ship was named the Klothos. The only works that were actually forbidden from mentioning TAS were tie-in books and comics, since Arnold had approval over them at the time, and the publishers felt obligated to abide by what Arnold purported to be "Gene's vision" even after Roddenberry and Arnold were gone.
 
If they want to start over why even bother trying to explain it through a series of movies. Just end the MCU and create a new cinematic universe if they wish. You don't need to create multiverse and this and that to do that. They should just do a complete farewell, Avengers movie were you bring the old actors back for one more final adventure then let that be the complete end to the old MCU.
 
Jayson1 said:
If they want to start over why even bother trying to explain it through a series of movies. Just end the MCU and create a new cinematic universe if they wish. You don't need to create multiverse and this and that to do that. They should just do a complete farewell, Avengers movie were you bring the old actors back for one more final adventure then let that be the complete end to the old MCU.
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Some people probably called it "Stop" right there. 20 movies and 10 years was enough for them.
 
Problem is they went on and made more movies and shows. Some of them good and I have no desire to erase the good ones. But at the same time Endgame did feel like a end so a final Avengers movie could be more like a Epilogue movie.
 
Jayson1 said:
If they want to start over why even bother trying to explain it through a series of movies. Just end the MCU and create a new cinematic universe if they wish. You don't need to create multiverse and this and that to do that. They should just do a complete farewell, Avengers movie were you bring the old actors back for one more final adventure then let that be the complete end to the old MCU.
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They're probably planning a soft reboot, combining the universes that will be 'introduced' in F4 and AVENGERS: DOOMSDAY and Secret Wars; they'll continue the old roster with a new X-MEN, Tony Stark and Steve R., just like James Gunn tried to do at DC.
 
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