Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread
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As an older kid and younger adult I always wondered the nature of his Number Twos. Talk about kidney stones......
Except their popularity in the MCU was actor specific.
No, it really wasn't. The only time since 1961 that it was out of print for a significant length of time was between 2015-2018.
That's not true. As I said, the general public had no real awareness of characters like Iron Man or Thor before the MCU. Genre fans have a tendency to overestimate how much awareness the general public has of genre characters.
Good grief, the whole reason there have been so many comics adaptations to other media over the decades is that the mass-media works are always more popular than the comics themselves. The whole reason for doing them is to introduce the characters to a new, larger audience. So assuming that the adaptations' success depends on the audience's prior knowledge is getting it absolutely backward.
You can see this by comparing the pop-culture awareness of Superman vs. Batman over the decades. Superman was the more famous character from the '40s onward, until Batman '66 made Batman the more popular character. Then the Reeve movies brought Superman back to the fore, but the Burton movies shifted the spotlight back to Batman, and it's stayed there for decades since because they keep making more Batman movies. Though I expect the pendulum's finally swinging back Superman's way after the Gunn movie. It's the movies and shows that make the characters popular, not the other way around.
Just because characters were central to the comics line doesn't make them "A-list" characters in cinematic terms.
Several versions of the FF had failed to really ignite at the box office. The notion that they would inevitably take center stage away from the versions of Captain America and Iron Man that were developed for film and defined by particular actors is not well-founded.
Not every actor who played James Bond was as well-liked or produced the same profitability as the one or two outstanding ones. Just because Marvel can make another Iron Man movie with someone else playing Tony Stark does not mean that the audience will embrace a less capable and charismatic performer than RDJ.
Several versions of the FF had failed to really ignite at the box office. The notion that they would inevitably take center stage away from the versions of Captain America and Iron Man that were developed for film and defined by particular actors is not well-founded.
Not every actor who played James Bond was as well-liked or produced the same profitability as the one or two outstanding ones. Just because Marvel can make another Iron Man movie with someone else playing Tony Stark does not mean that the audience will embrace a less capable and charismatic performer than RDJ.
Coming from a non-comic reader, I had no idea who Iron Man or Steve Rogers were before the MCU. My intro to comics was really Superman and Batman and X Men because of the animated shows in the 90s. Then when it came to the big screen it was really Batman but it was XMen that really opened my eyes to this world, and that lead to Ang Lee's Hulk (Which I found kinda boring), Toby McGuire's Spiderman and then Iron Man. Iron Man became popular because it came out on the heels of Dark Knight, and then the MCU was born. I didn't even realize this was the creation of the MCU until after Incredible Hulk (Which was not regarded fondly) but Iron Man 2 and CA: First Avenger.
I think that is why I'm worried about this reboot. From a non-comic perspective, it is about the actors portraying the characters. Iron Man rejuvinated Robert Downey Jrs. Career. I didn't know who Evans were Hemsworth were until their movies. Now that I've grown up with this universe and responded positively to characters like Ms. Marvel and Kate Bishop and Yelena (Mainly due to the actors), that's all going away because we have to go back to Captain America? That strikes me more as desperation than any progression. If I'm still following this universe I want to learn about the new characters and see more of those stories. I don't want it to be one or the other. This is why I think they should use Disney+ as a splinter off point. If they need more audience and use Iron Man and Captain America to get it, fine, but don't sacrifice the new characters when you have these actors in the prime of their careers who want to continue that forward progression.
I think that is why I'm worried about this reboot. From a non-comic perspective, it is about the actors portraying the characters. Iron Man rejuvinated Robert Downey Jrs. Career. I didn't know who Evans were Hemsworth were until their movies. Now that I've grown up with this universe and responded positively to characters like Ms. Marvel and Kate Bishop and Yelena (Mainly due to the actors), that's all going away because we have to go back to Captain America? That strikes me more as desperation than any progression. If I'm still following this universe I want to learn about the new characters and see more of those stories. I don't want it to be one or the other. This is why I think they should use Disney+ as a splinter off point. If they need more audience and use Iron Man and Captain America to get it, fine, but don't sacrifice the new characters when you have these actors in the prime of their careers who want to continue that forward progression.
He might have meant Batman Begins? Iron Man was popular because it received critically positive reviews and endorsements from a wide range of people. It became a hit with people who wouldn't normally see superhero movies because of that.
You're right, though technically, they came out like 2 months apart from each other (Iron Man came out in May, Dark Knight came out in July). Maybe I should have said Iron Man on the heels of Batman Begins, which was massively popular when it came out.
It shocked me greatly when FANTASTIC FOUR was temporarily cancelled. Of all the institutions to suspend...
........then later I read that the abysmal film of FF from the previous decade was so reviled, Marvel might have suspended FF just to avoid stink of association!
Right. And its success was pretty much entirely due to its cast. I realized as soon as I walked out of the theater back in 2008 that the actual story was an entirely formulaic, unremarkable superhero origin plot, and the only thing that had made it so much fun was the actors' largely improvised dialogue and interplay. Audiences loved the movie because of Downey and Paltrow and Bridges and Favreau, not because they had any prior interest in the character of Iron Man.
It is all make believe. I’d say it is all largely middle ground.
Roller boots?Let's all agree on "rolling reboot." Who could argue with the definition of that?
Well 3 or 4 years of no books was a pretty long time for FF. That had never happened before on the history of that book. Correct?
When I was growing up in the 70's and 80's there was not one kid in my neighborhood who didn't know who Iron Man or Captain America was. They were top tier characters back then. I could not have been imagining it all these years.
Iron Man/Tony Stark also had one of the biggest ground breaking stories back in 1979. Tony's fall into alcoholism. There was also a popular Iron and Cartoon in the 60's and 90's. Maybe not as popular as the x men cartoon. I always thought the X-Men was kinda second tier until later on....
. Though that was a preference thing....
The X-Men were second and even third tier through their original run. When they came back in mid seventies it was a steady rise thanks to Claremont, Cockrum and Byrne. By the time Byrne left they had knocked teams like the FF and the Avengers off the top. Soon you couldn't swing a cat without hitting an X book or an X-wannabe title.
Correct. The original X-Men comic was canceled in 1970, even though Roy Thomas was writing and Neal Adams illustrating, and subsequent issues were reprints up until 1975, which introduced the All New All Different X-Men.
The X-Men would continue to appear, as a team and individually, throughout that period.
This was around the same time Hank McCoy gained his Beast form.
The X-Men would continue to appear, as a team and individually, throughout that period.
This was around the same time Hank McCoy gained his Beast form.
*Raises hand*
There was a nearly 3 years gap for the FF after Jonathan Hickman's Secret War ended where Reed and Sue and the kids were off doing their thing restoring the multiverse and Ben and Johnny were doing their own thing in other books.