A senior critic from Rolling Stone is hardly in the same tier as a gushing, wannabe social media influencer trying to secure another premiere invite.
DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)
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A senior critic from Rolling Stone is hardly in the same tier as a gushing, wannabe social media influencer trying to secure another premiere invite.
If they were only casting models, sure, but with actors, capturing the character's personality should matter more than what they look like. And casting decisions also have to be based on an actor's rapport with the rest of the cast. There'd be no point casting a Reed Richards who was the spitting image of the comics character if he were a mediocre actor or had no romantic chemistry with the actress playing Sue. Embodying the character is not just about what's on the surface.
And of course, when you're adapting older materials where all the characters were white and most were male due to the prejudices of the era, adhering to that is just a way of excluding most of the pool of potential actors who could do a great job with their characters.
Fleming described Bond as resembling the actor Hoagy Carmichael, but more cruel-looking.
Harrumph. In my day the Huntress was Helena Wayne, not some retcon Mafia princess.
This is marvelous.Mike Ryan (Uproxx) posted on bsky:
"I’m going to get in trouble for this. But that “leaked review,” good god I couldn’t disagree more."
followed by -
"Seems I’m already in enough trouble, “but whatever this mystery movie is,” it’s the happiest I’ve walked out of a movie since Top Gun Maverick. Again, I will never reveal the movie I’m talking about."Then, Brian Hiatt (Rolling Stone) quoted Mike -
"Without saying anything else, Mike's right here."-------------------
Embargo? What embargo?
Some fair context:
Mike Ryan (@mikeryan.bsky.social)
There’s no way it was malicious. I have no doubt it was an accident they are not happy about
bsky.app
Not-so-fair context, but enjoyable:
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Ah yes, purple hair, that immutable physical characteristic...
I've already started to see YouTube videos popping up saying Superman is a "disaster", "box office failure", etc, from no name wannabes trying to get clicks on their YouTube pages.
Leeches.
I'm sure the pool of potential actors is big enough that they can tick all the boxes they want to, talent, chemistry, looks etc. and still have enough options left to go with someone called Chris. They won't ever need to hire a white guy to play Blade because he's got the best rapport.
This is an actual problem.
One way they solve it is by keeping the most iconic characters the same and changing the Perry White-tier supporting cast, which has a side effect of making it so only the white characters are important. Fine for one movie, not something that'll work with a movie series.
Another way is to hire actors I'm personally fond of, like Samuel L. Jackson, Jason Momoa and Pom Klementieff so I have to throw up my hands and go 'okay fine, you win this time comic book movie people'. The flaw in with this one is this only works for people who like the actors as much as I do (and people who don't care at all, obviously).
But I think the most satisfying solution to this problem is to make a Static Shock movie, put Black Lightning in a film etc., get these heroes on the screen already. No one wants black Peter Parker, they want Miles Morales. We're actually getting Mr Terrific soon, as a major character in the most important DC movie, looking absolutely comic-perfect. I'm interested in seeing who they bring in next.
Comics have tried to diversify their casts in recent years, so we have a Black Batman right now. It's not Bruce Wayne. It's Jace Fox. A way to address this in the Gunnverse is to have Bruce Wayne appear in movies that are not exclusively Batman movies, like "Brave and the Bold" or The Outsiders or Justice League.
And then give the full on Batman movie to Jace Fox, along with his siblings as a supporting cast.
This also works by giving the big Lantern role to John Stewart, Jessica Cruz, or Simon Baz. Or even do a full on space movie with Jo Mullein. Jemisin's Far Sector story is ready made for a science fiction movie.
And then give the full on Batman movie to Jace Fox, along with his siblings as a supporting cast.
This also works by giving the big Lantern role to John Stewart, Jessica Cruz, or Simon Baz. Or even do a full on space movie with Jo Mullein. Jemisin's Far Sector story is ready made for a science fiction movie.
That's a facile assumption. If it were true, a lot more actors would look like the comics characters, because it makes no sense to assume that isn't a consideration at all.
It also doesn't make sense as an argument, because usually there are only one or two top candidates who meet all the necessary parameters of talent, personality, rapport, availability, etc., and there's no guarantee that the single best candidate in every other respect will also be a dead ringer. Often you have to choose between different priorities, and it should not be difficult to understand that a good actor is more important than a good lookalike.
I'm not sure what you're defining as a problem. Casting diverse actors in lead roles is NOT a problem and never has been. Lynda Carter is Latina, and she made a great Wonder Woman. Dean Cain is a quarter Japanese (though he doesn't choose to identify as such), and he made an effective Superman.
You're making the mistake of assuming that this is only about what the audience wants. Actors are not just passive objects placed before an audience. They are human beings who are working for a living, who need to feed and house their families. They need a fair opportunity to compete for the top jobs in the field along with everyone else. And that requires both adapting more characters of color and diversifying traditionally white or male characters. Because fair opportunities for actors who really exist matter more than fidelity to fictional characters who don't.
I'd have no issue with a nonwhite Peter Parker. These days, demographic shifts make it more probable for a teenager from Forest Hills, Queens to be nonwhite than it was in the 1960s. And Peter's always been defined as a social outsider, so making him a minority would fit perfectly.
There's nothing new about comics trying to improve diversity. Stan Lee introduced the Black Panther and the Falcon back in the '60s when Black heroes in comics were unheard of. In the '70s, the X-Men and the Teen Titans introduced new, more diverse casts. And so on. They would've done much more if the culture at the time hadn't been so resistant.
And again, I for one would never have had a problem with Batman being Black. Back in the '90s, my fan casting preference for a hypothetical Batman TV series was Michael Dorn.
The culture around this movie is insane. Several people are breaking NDAs publicly just to hype it up or tear it down. This movie has people acting different.
Give it a couple of weeks and Gunn fans will be just as annoying as Snyder fans.
I fully expect lots of accusations of paid negative reviews.
I fully expect lots of accusations of paid negative reviews.
Why? There are already plenty of people pre-emptively giving negative reviews for free, or in hopes of profiting on YouTube. Nobody has to solicit negative reviews when there are so many toxic jerks out there happy to volunteer them.
The so-called "Snyder cult" has a serious vendetta against this movie...
www.ign.com
Move on people, it's over.
SnyderCut Subreddit Issues Statement After James Gunn Dismisses Fan Calling for Mass Superman Review Bomb Campaign - IGN
The mods looking after the SnyderCut subreddit have deleted a post calling on fans to review bomb the upcoming Superman movie and issued a statement to their community members.
Move on people, it's over.
Yep.The so-called "Snyder cult" has a serious vendetta against this movie...
SnyderCut Subreddit Issues Statement After James Gunn Dismisses Fan Calling for Mass Superman Review Bomb Campaign - IGN
The mods looking after the SnyderCut subreddit have deleted a post calling on fans to review bomb the upcoming Superman movie and issued a statement to their community members.
Move on people, it's over.
Some of those goobers actually believe that if this movie underpefrorms Warners will call Snyder.
In other news, Kathleen Kennedy and Alex Kurtzman are both about to be fired. ;]
Wow, they went all in! Not a direction I expected. Kudos to them.
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