‘Star Trek: Strange New Worlds’ Renewed for Fifth and Final Season

[eschaton]

if you want real worldbuilding, then TNG is when that stuff really started.

I think I'd offer a partial disagreement here. The deepening of lore really started with TAS. A surprising number of the episodes were given over to things like filling in Spock's backstory, returning to Mudd, returning to the Shore Leave planet, more tribbles, more Klingons, more Romulans, more Orions, etc.

Obviously, there was more than that. But they were clearly throwing bones to the developing fandom who was doing early theorycrafting.

 

[fireproof78]

I think I'd offer a partial disagreement here. The deepening of lore really started with TAS. A surprising number of the episodes were given over to things like filling in Spock's backstory, returning to Mudd, returning to the Shore Leave planet, more tribbles, more Klingons, more Romulans, more Orions, etc.

Obviously, there was more than that. But they were clearly throwing bones to the developing fandom who was doing early theorycrafting.

Agreed. TAS is a very fun stories adding to previous episodes and the lore. Growing up with VHS and the Concordance really have that a different life for me.

Didn't know I was supposed to hate TAS until the Internet.

 

[Dukhat]

I think I'd offer a partial disagreement here. The deepening of lore really started with TAS. A surprising number of the episodes were given over to things like filling in Spock's backstory, returning to Mudd, returning to the Shore Leave planet, more tribbles, more Klingons, more Romulans, more Orions, etc.

Obviously, there was more than that. But they were clearly throwing bones to the developing fandom who was doing early theorycrafting.

To add on to that, Star Trek lore deepened even further (perhaps the most it's ever deepened before the advent of TNG) with the FASA and Starfleet Battles role playing games, and the early novels and comics. New and old worlds, aliens, spaceships and crewmembers were created or hugely expanded upon with these tie-in materials, so much so that many fans considered them to be 'canon' before that word ended up having a whole different meaning.

 

[Noname Given]

To add on to that, Star Trek lore deepened even further (perhaps the most it's ever deepened before the advent of TNG) with the FASA and Starfleet Battles role playing games, and the early novels and comics. New and old worlds, aliens, spaceships and crewmembers were created or hugely expanded upon with these tie-in materials, so much so that many fans considered them to be 'canon' before that word ended up having a whole different meaning.

Both the FASA games and especially Star Fleet Battles took/extrapolated A LOT from the original Franz Joseph STAR TREK Technical Manual and the Enterprise Blueprints (still have my original bought copies of both that I got in 1975.

 

[Dukhat]

Yes, Franz Joseph was also influential in expanding the Trek lore, influence that's still felt to this day.

 

[fireproof78]

I did feel the influence this weekend for sure.

 

[Noname Given]

Yes, Franz Joseph was also influential in expanding the Trek lore, influence that's still felt to this day.

But the majority of what was in the FJ Star Trek Tech Manual WAS from World Building done in the 79 aired TOS episodes up to that time.

 

[Dukhat]

Yes, that’s what I said. It expanded the lore.

 

[Danlav05]

YASSS!!!! I've been saying that for a couple years now!!! Basically since we already have seen TOS and the five year mission (or at least most of it) we just need a time jump of a few more years to continue the adventures with the movie refit Enterprise. There are a further 15 years of untapped lore between TMP and TWOK (you could fit three whole SNW's series length into that timeframe) and God knows how many epic stories with Kirk, Spock, and the classic crew in the prime timeline aboard the refit NCC-1701. The possibilities are damn near endless!

Looking (far!) into the future, I've been wondering how they sould follow up on SNW without stepping on TOS toes

- YEAR ONE: Get rid of some TOS players for a bit, stick with Kirk, Spock, Scotty, Sulu, focus on Kirk and Mitchell's friendship

- TV MOVIES: One off stories set during the 5YM between episodes of the series. Again, can fit with what we have rather than potentially rub against it, you could even expand on what we have

- TIME JUMP: Like you say, finish Year Four and Five properly on TV, then go to Phase II at long last! Introduce Arex, M'Ress and even Lt Xon (remember him?) the actors should be the right age.

- DIFFERENT LEADS: Ok we just had Lower Decks and Red Shirts is about to be a comic, but shift the focus away from Kirk, Spock and McCoy, take the focus from the Bridge to Engineering? Do the Sulu show at last? Uhura mentoring recent graduates? I mean, it worked for Michael Burnham for 3 seasons!

 

[Phoenix219]

I REALLY really really want YEAR ONE. Kelso, Mitchell, Piper, etc all deserve a lot more than what they have been given. Could introduce young Sulu as part of the the lower decks. I don't want to see McCoy yet. Let the early years shine for once. And, I would absolutely love Phase II.

But, I think I just figured out how i truly want the show to end.

The entire series is one of Pike's fantasies on Talos IV.

He never had giant quarters, or dinner parties. He never fought Xeno-Gorn, and his Captain Girlfriend is just Vina in another disguise. Its all a way for him to work through accepting his fate and letting go of those things he's been hanging on to. If it wasn't for Discovery, I would say that the ship never even looked like that, but that ship has sailed. But, close enough to returning canon to the state it was in TOS. And best of all, there was never a musical episode!!!

 

[HotRod]

He never had giant quarters, or dinner parties. He never fought Xeno-Gorn, and his Captain Girlfriend is just Vina in another disguise. Its all a way for him to work through accepting his fate and letting go of those things he's been hanging on to. If it wasn't for Discovery, I would say that the ship never even looked like that, but that ship has sailed. But, close enough to returning canon to the state it was in TOS. And best of all, there was never a musical episode!!!

Congratulations! You've created a series finale that's worse than These Are The Voyages...

That's no small feat.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Congratulations! You've created a series finale that's worse than These Are The Voyages...

That's no small feat.

For real.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

How about the same thing, but it's actually Riker's fantasy. That's why Pike does so much cooking, Riker always plays the chef.

 

[The Wormhole]

I REALLY really really want YEAR ONE. Kelso, Mitchell, Piper, etc all deserve a lot more than what they have been given.

In the event they did do a "Year One" storyline, I suspect Mitchell is the only one of those characters they'd bring back.

 

[fireproof78]

In the event they did do a "Year One" storyline, I suspect Mitchell is the only one of those characters they'd bring back.

And all that being said not sure what any of those characters deserve.

 

[Phoenix219]

Congratulations! You've created a series finale that's worse than These Are The Voyages...

That's no small feat.

waaaay better than These Are The Voyages. It fits his canon ending, makes complete sense, is a deep exploration of his issues, and fixes the REST of the canon.

I think you misspelled Awesome.

 

[Phoenix219]

In the event they did do a "Year One" storyline, I suspect Mitchell is the only one of those characters they'd bring back.

I've always felt that Lee Kelso was a major part of that early crew, a close friend to a lot of them, and had an absolutely tragic ending. I don't think you should do Mitchell without Kelso to play off of. Probably just my own head canon taking precedence, but IMO he was on the level of a Sulu/Chekov/Scotty for that early bunch.

 

[The Wormhole]

I'm just going by the fact that when the novels first did their take on Kirk's first mission commanding the Enterprise, they left all three of those characters out, though with Mitchell they at least explained his absence. Hell, the most recent depiction of Kirk's early days commanding the Enterprise in the novels was in 2019, and Piper was still left out of that.

 

[Phoenix219]

How about the same thing, but it's actually Riker's fantasy. That's why Pike does so much cooking, Riker always plays the chef.

I could see that. Makes the Enterprise ending into a running gag, and saves Trip because of all of the historical inaccuracies in Riker's programs. LOL! Chef..... Pike cooking things..... it could fit. Lol!!

 

[Phoenix219]

I'm just going by the fact that when the novels first did their take on Kirk's first mission commanding the Enterprise, they left all three of those characters out, though with Mitchell they at least explained his absence. Hell, the most recent depiction of Kirk's early days commanding the Enterprise in the novels was in 2019, and Piper was still left out of that.

Mitchell has always been one of my favorite what-if characters and as an important part of Kirk's life I have always wanted to see more of them. I swear I read a book at some point with Kelso in it, but it was so long ago I don't remember at all.

apparently Piper is in
n. (TOS novels: Traitor Winds, My Brother's Keeper: Constitution, and Captain's Peril)

and Kelso is in
In chronological order:

• 2264:
  • TOS comic: "All Those Years Ago..." (backstory)
  • TOS - New Visions comic: "Strange New Worlds" (backstory)
  • TOS novel: Strangers from the Sky
  • TOS - Mission's End comic: "Issue 1"
  • TOS - Myriad Universes novel: A Less Perfect Union (alternate timeline)
• 2265:
  • TOS - My Brother's Keeper novel: Enterprise (backstory)
  • TOS - Mere Anarchy eBook: Things Fall Apart