Afraid that genie left the bottle and the horse left the barn long ago for me.
Transition and explanation of SNW into TOS technology
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Its not the hood of the car that counts, but what is underneath the hood...
TOS, can be explained away by higher levels of artificial intelligence.
Higher levels of A. I. occur from time to time, then they collapse due to some essential flaws in the A.I. A reevaluation occurs, which results in a new A. I., that appears, at first to meet said needs...
For example
( extreme groaning by some) followed by very extreme face palming) In the FASA Star Trek: The Role Playing Game supplement Star Trek Tricorder/Starship Senors Interactive Display; ( groaning yet?) The authors show that senor ranges change with warp technology. Before the warp factor eight speeds are attained the maximum warp factor was warp factor five, the computers could handle this. Afterwards the initial Duotronic systems could handle warp factor eight. The next generation could handle warp factor ten, and the last warp factor fourteen.
So, what is happening? Computer time constraints. A computer requires a certain amount of time to handle, in real time functions that take time to process at the levels required.
This, by the way explains the S. S. Woden, being a joke to the Galaxy at large.
Real world the United States Navy A-5A Vigilante had a digital computer for navigational purposes. Yes, it fed into the analog Autopilot, but the system wasn't fast enough for real time use.( The initial versions lasted about fifteen minutes before failure. ( which is where Gene Roddenberry et el got the idea for Duotronic systems. )(something reliable)
Done screaming yet? :^))
TOS, can be explained away by higher levels of artificial intelligence.
Higher levels of A. I. occur from time to time, then they collapse due to some essential flaws in the A.I. A reevaluation occurs, which results in a new A. I., that appears, at first to meet said needs...
For example
( extreme groaning by some) followed by very extreme face palming) In the FASA Star Trek: The Role Playing Game supplement Star Trek Tricorder/Starship Senors Interactive Display; ( groaning yet?) The authors show that senor ranges change with warp technology. Before the warp factor eight speeds are attained the maximum warp factor was warp factor five, the computers could handle this. Afterwards the initial Duotronic systems could handle warp factor eight. The next generation could handle warp factor ten, and the last warp factor fourteen. So, what is happening? Computer time constraints. A computer requires a certain amount of time to handle, in real time functions that take time to process at the levels required.
This, by the way explains the S. S. Woden, being a joke to the Galaxy at large.
Real world the United States Navy A-5A Vigilante had a digital computer for navigational purposes. Yes, it fed into the analog Autopilot, but the system wasn't fast enough for real time use.( The initial versions lasted about fifteen minutes before failure. ( which is where Gene Roddenberry et el got the idea for Duotronic systems. )(something reliable)
Done screaming yet? :^))
Apart from the uniforms, the technology, the differences in actors etc. I don't watch SNW but I did see season one and Dr.M'Benga is African rather than a Brooklyn accented medical man or whatever his accent was as Booker Bradshaw appeared to be. Definitely an alternate reality.
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There's been some theorizing that the SNW Dr. M'Benga may not be the same M'Benga as seen in TOS; it might be his brother/cousin/etc.But this doesn't explain all the other characters and technologies...
...back to alternate reality or changed timeline.
I’m pretty sure he’s meant to be the same guy. Because the differences between his character and what we saw in TOS is no different between Pike’s, Spock’s, Uhura’s, Scotty’s, Una’s, Chapel’s and Kirk’s characters and what we saw in TOS. The larger question is if one views these characters and their show as a reboot of TOS rather than a prequel.
Yeah, I thought it was just as weird when they made the TOS character of Second Officer Pike the captain in the prequel, but no one ever brings that up as not making sense.
Is this sarcasm?
Or you know, a different actor.
I don’t think they gave M’Benga an African sounding name with the intent he was from America. (See also Uhura)
Bradshaw is from Virginia, not sure why you'd think his accent is from Brooklyn. It is nothing like that accent. The accent could very well be Bradshaw's interpretation of how an African would sound.
Olusanmokun is playing M'Benga not Bradshaw, so there is no reason for him to look or sound like Bradshaw. Just as there was no reason for Roger Moore to look and sound like Sean Connery when he took the role of James Bond.
As far as I'm aware, the studio - who as the rights holders, determine these things - have made no statements about SNW being in an alternate timeline or reality. In fact, I think they've made it clear that SNW is a prequel to TOS, so we have employ a bit of creative thinking as to the recasting of characters, visuals etc. In the end, the fundamental is that it's a TV show being made with updated tech, but whilst it's quite different in some ways, it's also quintessentially Star Trek, and to me at least, it feels like it can sit right before TOS events.
They have alluded to timey-wimey stuff happening in the background. Which is why Khan was just a little boy in the 21st century rather than an adult in 1996.
Well to be fair, I think we've had this before. VOY's Future's End springs to mind.
#RIPI-Chaya
James Bond is possibly not the series to use as an example of how to do this right seeing as Bond aged backwards.
Eh, they're all the same guy. Probably Romulan time agents involved in the aging thing.
Who should totally introduce a Superspy Time Lord. (No not the Third Doctor
)
Why is a different visual aesthetic so difficult for some people to swallow?
But more specifically in SNW's own "Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow".
Because for some people the "Original Aesthetic" will always be the "Correct Aesthetic".
Just like for some people, their 'James T. Kirk' will always be 'William Shatner'.
Everything else will be a clone / alternate universe.
Change will not be allowed.
I don't think SNW is really the problem. I think the problem was DSC before it.
CBS touted DSC as taking place in the 'prime' universe (in an effort to reassure their audience that it didn't take place in the 'Abramsverse,' later to be known as the Kelvin Timeline), ten years before TOS ...and then went out of their way to make the show look and feel absolutely nothing like TOS. From the production values, uniforms, ships, Klingons, their ships, the inconsistencies with TOS, etc. etc., it made the whole production look like some weird kind of generic SyFy Channel schlock with 'Star Trek' slapped on the title but bore little resemblance to it (or at least to the specific time period it was meant to convey.) I remember fans even coming up with the term 'PINO' ('Prime in Name Only') to describe the show. So by the time they decided to make a Pike series set on the Enterprise, they were forced to branch off from the DSC aesthetic because it was already established that that was what this universe looked like. I think they did an ok job in that regard (and the constant moving back to that original TOS aesthetic and further away from the DSC aesthetic from that point tells me that they realized their mistake and have learned their lesson, although we're never going to 100% get back to the TOS feel at this point, nor should they try.)
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