In any case, there really is no definite "edge" to the galaxy. The stars just get sparser until at some point you find yourself in the intergalactic void. As David Gerrold said, "It's like trying to bisect a sneeze."
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True enough. But humans do mark borders and we’ve been doing it for a very long time and will continue doing it. A lot of borders between countries are agreed upon lines even if there is no actual physical border visible beyond occasional features in the landscape like a river or something.
However, in WNMHGB we’re presented with an actual physical border between interstellar and intergalactic space in the form of the newly encountered energy barrier.
We have to take the barrier and all that with a grain of salt and on faith since the barrier is a thin strip that the ship should be able to go around. We're stuck with the information they gave us, both verbally and visually. Everything else is just "making it work" - but since I love this episode no end, I indulge. It just does seem weird that, in a way, everyone is kind of imprisoned in the galaxy by this barrier. Nobody would care because the galaxy is so vast, but once that barrier is discovered, I can't imagine it wouldn't be studied and a way found to penetrate. And since nobody got "Godded" in By Any Other Name and Is There is Truth No Beauty (allowing they crossed back through the barrier), I can assume they sussed it out.
Delta Vega is close enough to the barrier to get there in a few "light days." But since the warp drive is out, how long did it take for them to arrive? Regardless, it's far enough out for the ore ships to only call "once every 20 years." I'm fine with the planet being there, having a luthium cracking station and being fully automated.
Delta Vega is close enough to the barrier to get there in a few "light days." But since the warp drive is out, how long did it take for them to arrive? Regardless, it's far enough out for the ore ships to only call "once every 20 years." I'm fine with the planet being there, having a luthium cracking station and being fully automated.
I have long imagined that the barrier was actually more than just a strip of energy, but that it was visible only when viewed at a particular angle. In that light maybe you can’t go over or under it and if you tried that part of the barrier would seem as if it’s always directly in front of or behind you.
Another possibility is the barrier could be a periodic or cyclical phenomena that just happened to be there when first the Valiant and later the Enterprise came along.
Another possibility is the barrier could be a periodic or cyclical phenomena that just happened to be there when first the Valiant and later the Enterprise came along.
Yeah, it's not a fence.
Agreed. After WNMHGB, I'd say Spock and the Enterprise Science Division wrote research papers that led to fleet-wide shield upgrades. In "By Any Other Name," the new shields were up and running.
Thus Mitchell and Dehner, and the other nine who died, had something in common with the pioneers of radium and medical X-rays, many of whom died because the need for radiation shielding was discovered too late for them, and because of them.
Keep Out. Beware of Space Dogs.
Poor Gary.
Maybe the barrier isn't just a strip but actually encapsulates the whole galaxy top, bottom, and around the edge. Like a sandwich wrapped in cellophane. And by the way, what's the explanation for the existence of the barrier anyway?
I guess the thinking was that there's often a barrier around astronomical objects and systems, like the Earth's ozone layer or the solar system's heliosphere, so they imagined there was one around the galaxy too. It wasn't put there by godlike aliens or anything like that, it's just a naturally occurring phenomenon.
That's how I tend to ustify it too.
My guess is the inspiration was the Van Allen belts, detected in 1958 by instruments aboard the Explorer 1 satellite.
Late to the party on my S3 rewatch, but I just watched And the Children Shall Lead. For being one of the most hated episodes, I THOROUGHLY enjoyed it. It didn't really come across campy, had a definite creepy factor, and I really wanted to know more about the history of the system, the "evil", how it all worked, etc. I also had a bit of TFF feeling, with people facing their fears, and the ship being taken over by a cult, and realized that the two most hated episodes, this and the space hippies, were combined (probably accidentally) to create the most "hated" of the movies, which I also have always loved and defended, so I guess its no surprise that I enjoyed this one. S3 hasn't been disappointing at all so far..... it is very hard for me to find "bad" TOS. It also very much seemed like the food dispensers were acting very much like card-activated replicators lol. It was very forward thinking when they pulled out the audio recording of the children to summon the "Angel"... It was like Supernatural meets Star Trek, and I loved every minute of it.
(Its been a LONG time since I revisited some of these episodes, to be honest.)
(Its been a LONG time since I revisited some of these episodes, to be honest.)
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I really don't think it's that bad. It's not my favorite but it's not on my "avoid at all costs" list.
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