Yeah, probably more like the Coast Guard, special operations forces or maybe the UK Royal Marines, which are structured around force sizes that could be deployed on standard starships rather than the brigades or bigger that the conventional US Marines or Army are based on. At least outside of wartime.
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Yeah, probably more like the Coast Guard, special operations forces or maybe the UK Royal Marines, which are structured around force sizes that could be deployed on standard starships rather than the brigades or bigger that the conventional US Marines or Army are based on. At least outside of wartime.
we just did almost fourty pages of whether or not starfleet's a military in "controversial opinions" thread, we don't need to do it again XD suffice to say, it regularly performs the duties of one.
in what way has the US Navy, formed in 1795, not been a military organization until after WW2?
As talented as I'm sure folks are in the 23rd century, I doubt they could throw that uniform together in the roughly five minutes between the order and McCoy beaming down.
Technically it was for the first couple of years, but was considered to be a naval organisation not military one (ie infantry, calvary and/or artillary organisation principally for fighting wars) from formation until the demotion of Naval Department to a component of the Department of Defense and therefore a military organisation.
Agreed.
Though there is real world precedent for an organisation that performs the functions of a military organisation at need but is in some ways a distinct thing.
I don't take that exchange as meaning the clothing was being replicated. I took it to mean that they were getting the information, pattern, measurements, etc. from the computer and then someone or some machine was actually sewing/manufacturing the clothing. In other words, the boot didn't fit because the computer gave the tailor the wrong measurements, not because the computer replicated the item incorrectly.
That's a pretty quick turn around.
The ship likely keeps a stockpile of ready Starfleet uniforms, whether they're replicated or created and shipped. Perhaps a combination of both, with the custom made ones fitting and feeling better than the replicated versions.
But a Nazi doctor uniform would have to be special ordered from the quartermaster/wardrobe dept - the Enterprise doesn't have random Nazi wear lying around just in case - it only has to pass muster visually and texturally, after all.
But a Nazi doctor uniform would have to be special ordered from the quartermaster/wardrobe dept - the Enterprise doesn't have random Nazi wear lying around just in case - it only has to pass muster visually and texturally, after all.
I doubt it. Space is at a premium. Likely the uniforms are recycled into raw materials, if not pure energy, when they aren't needed.
I'm pretty sure we saw Kirk had a folded uniform in his suitcase once, but he was getting ready to leave IIRC. Maybe someone can help me with the episode? Was it "This Side of Paradise"? It would make sense to take at least one spare, in such a case.
At least enough that ripped shirt Kirk isn't alternating between shivering and pounding his fist on the clothing printer. "Sorry, sir, you've already used up your weekly allotment."
i wouldn't take "manufacture" to be a synonym with "replicate" in that sense (we can manufacture gemstones now but it definitely isn't). in any case, possibly at least a partial bluff thingy, given that other crystals and minerals are known to be needed, and not manufactured, given there are multiple instants of miners and mining.
It'll be raw materials over energy.
Being able to re-use raw matter stock is more important.
Generating base matter from energy is VERY energy intenseive, it's far cheaper to assemble the item from raw matter stocks.
Starfleet does have ground combats, those guys in the black jumpsuits we see on DS9 in Nor the Battle to the Strong and The Siege of AR-558.
Didn't they get their arses kicked pretty badly?
I dunno if it's the lack of training, the lack of body armor, the lack of personal shields (even though we saw MacGyvered versions by Worf, & fully functioning ones in ST:PIC S3), the lack of cohesive unit tactics.
But something about them seems worse trained than MACOs of the 22nd century which supposed had more primitive gear.
Because of the needs of the plot. Regardless, just because they got their asses kicked doesn't change the fact they are ground troops.
Had they not grokked the "Houdini" subspace mines, in "The Siege of AR-558" the DS9 personnel would have gone into the meatgrinder right along with Will Robinson's cadre.
I'm not arguing/disputing whether or not they are ground troops.
I'm in agreement with you on that.
I'm questioning their competency / lack of surivival rates compared to their predecessors.
It's not just "Needs of the Plot". The casualty #'s / losses they suffered in the 23rd & 24th century are horrendous compared to what we see of the MACOs.
Considering we only see these ground troops in two episodes (both of which were set in the 24th century) which were specifically intended to showcase the horrors of war, it very much was the needs of the plot.
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