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The F**k word in Star Trek

You know what's really weird about this conversation? I feel like people involved in the two sides of the debate live in different worlds. Perhaps Worf has crossed some area of space that broke down the barriers between quantum realities?

I don't think I live an unusual life. Yet the number of times I hear the f-bomb in everyday conversation? Almost zero. Seriously. Personal life. Professional life. All of it. Nada. People just don't use it on a regular basis. Yes, sometimes people -- including me -- will use it for emphasis in a certain circumstance. But that is the exception, not the norm. This idea that everyone is just throwing around f-bombs all the time is not the world I live in.

I hear it continually. But then, I used to work for the government, and I live in a high-density population area and I grew up in a rural area and then a working class suburb and went to school in the 70s, and who knows how many other factors predispose me to hear swearing on a daily basis. I mean, if I taught in a Catholic parish school it might be less common.
 
Well Starfleet is not really a navy. ;)
It may heavily borrow navy motifs, being it rank or submarine warfare in TWOK etc
Just as much NASA than the navy.
What you seem to be trying to say is that Starfleet is not a military. Which is not an argument I want to start, as indeed it will go nowhere and will do this thread no favors. However, the word "navy" has no military connotations to it at all despite it instantly conjuring up images of warships and submarines or whatever when most people hear it. The word navy simply means "fleet of vehicles." In that sense Starfleet is most definitely a navy, or are you now going to argue Starfleet is not in fact a fleet?
 
I mean, if I taught in a Catholic parish school it might be less common.
Maybe not. I remember Chris Hardwick once talking about growing up in a Catholic boarding school. "Some of the most foul-mouthed people I've met in my life are Catholic priests. Going to a Catholic boarding school, I used to hear them use all kinds of profanity in front of the class. Me and the other kids always wondered 'are they allowed to say that?' And yes, they are."
 
Maybe not. I remember Chris Hardwick once talking about growing up in a Catholic boarding school. "Some of the most foul-mouthed people I've met in my life are Catholic priests. Going to a Catholic boarding school, I used to hear them use all kinds of profanity in front of the class. Me and the other kids always wondered 'are they allowed to say that?' And yes, they are."
I had a psych professor at DeMatha who was a monk, and he was incredibly foul-mouthed.
 
It may heavily borrow navy motifs, being it rank or submarine warfare in TWOK etc
And bosun's whistles, which make no sense at all.

Oh, and court martials. Pretty military thing, there, court martials.

In other words, it's exactly a navy in every way they want and whenever they want it to be - which is most of the time - except when they don't want it to be, generally because someone somewhere feels icky about their heroes being military officers.

Starfleet is a goddamn fucking space navy, and I use the words for emphasis in an attempt to stay relevant to the thread topic. ;)
 
I had a psych professor at DeMatha who was a monk, and he was incredibly foul-mouthed.
That'd explain an old coworker/friend of mine from when I worked at NIH. He went there. :guffaw:


And was girls' pig tails in inkwells a 60s slang or was it already dated by then?
 
That'd explain an old coworker/friend of mine from when I worked at NIH. He went there. :guffaw:


And was girls' pig tails in inkwells a 60s slang or was it already dated by then?
Way dated. There were no ink wells on desks in those days. Someone had invented fountain pens, which were also obsolete because then someone had invented the ball point pen.

It felt weirdly anachronistic when Kirk invoked it in a TOS episode - probably because it was written by a guy who was born in 1917 and cut his teeth on TV westerns.
 
Since you hear the f-k word all the time in every tv show today
Streaming shows, maybe. Cable shows still place some limits on it, IE, Walking Dead was only permitted one Fuck per season, but since they went several seasons without using it at all, they were able to use all the missed opportunities to get multiple fucks into the final season. While it still isn't used on the networks at all.

Fun fact, on Canadian daytime TV, fuck is one of two words that is not allowed at all, the other word being cock. Otherwise, anything goes. Indeed, the Space channel (now called CTV Sci-Fi) actually got in trouble for running the Disco episode with Tilly's "fucking cool" line uncensored during what is considered "daytime," 8:00 PM EST.
 
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Everything about 2025 is irrelevant to the 24th century. Trousers and shirts and guns and doctors and coffee and people getting married is irrelevant to the 24th century.

Very true! As much as outhouses in 1500 are to today's plumbing, not to mention the seashells of the future, technological and other advances make a new future. More, there's only one common frame of reference between a pretend future and today, which is also necessary. Perhaps two. Actually at least three, but this is starting to get into digressing too much.

Schools are irrelevant to the 24th century, as are cemetaries and retail stores and New Orleans cooking.

Education styles would differ, true.

Buriel or cremation or something would be superseded, though if disintegration is chosen then the ashes can't fertilize a rose bush or anything.



New Orleans cooking would arguably still there, albeit more as a hobby (think Renaissance Festival where people can pretend they live in an age where more creative and overall more interesting sartorial taste exited) thanks to replicators and all, hence those scenes where someone is preparing food not only gives insight, but also has that cool ASMR feel.

Here are two examples of that:

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Beets and spinach! YUM! I just ate but now I'm hungry again, and beets are medium on the GI index, but sure as heck are nutritious, unlike the following:

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Just remember, know what foods are interspecies changeable, since you don't feet most obligate carnivores chocolate as it's toxic or fatal to them thanks to the types of plantlife and mounds of sugar poured into the concoction that their organs can't deal with. it's human dessert of choice, of course, so if you don't dig it then always have a cuspidor and/or chamber pot handy...


We don't watch TV shows about the 24th century. We watch fantasies in which the supposed future world and the people in it are recognizably like us, living in a slight variation of our current culture, doing things pretty much as we do today although the narrative claims they do them faster or more efficiently or by using gadgets which inexplicably emit blue light to operate.

Bingo. Some episodes or shows do try to feel more authentic with details, even pedantic, to explain the fictional equipment. Others just show it for "ooh and aah" effect, which helps if nothing of the sort had ever been seen before anywhere.

The 24th or 23rd or 22nd or 31st centuries have nothing at all to do with the style or content of Star Trek, because no one knows anything about them.

Exactly. Reality vs theory makes for a fun conflict in the future. It still is romanticism of a sort, since not all romanticism is about the literal term of "romance/relationships", number of people you want to get into a bed, back of a car, phone booth, or who knows where and with what and nobody really cares unless it affects them, but before I go digressing again.

For everything else, there's another bent of sci-fi that includes stuff like this and, yes, stuff like this is also entertaining:

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(Robert Picardo, surprise surprise! Even bigger a surprise is where there's a set wobble yet nobody whines that it's not Doctor Who and therefore shouldn't have any... and no worries, that's one of the tamer scenes involving the fertilizertongue!)

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(Not as much swearing in that scene, but the movie's loaded with teh pottymouf and isn't that the sign from 1984's "Police Academy" redressed? Love them props!!)

Granted, neither of them feels like Trek in any other way and the uniqueness of each franchise is what sets them apart. Like that Doctor Who story "The Mind Robber" taught us back 57 years ago, one for each flavor of ketchup, the Doctor spat out something about "Sausages! People will just become like a string of sausages, all the same!" it's been a while and I couldn't find the clip, but it's not in stereo or color so it's all for the better...

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It's easier to guess what they're for... and, yep, more toidytalk seems apropos - literally! :guffaw:
 
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Next week, on Staaaaaaaaaaaar Trek the Parallel Universe Dimension:

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No worries, TOS used "hell" and "damn", as it was sold as "adult space adventure" sci-fi at the time.

(Various episodes have characters saying "let's get the hell out of here", "the hell is that?", "Go to Hell"/"We have no hell, but we understand yours", etc, etc, etc.)
Nope.

"Let's get the hell out of here" was the extent of it.

There was never a "what the hell is that?" in the TV series and the actual line you're thinking of is "Go to the devil." "We have no devil, Kirk. But we understand the habits of yours."

Kirk did say "I can't damn him for his logic" and McCoy cranked out a "damnable logic" but that wasn't considered profanity. Only the "let's get the hell out of here" was and that was probably a battle to get it on the air.
 
Nope.

"Let's get the hell out of here" was the extent of it.

Kirk did say "I can't damn him for his logic" and McCoy cranked out a "damnable logic" but that wasn't considered profanity. Only the "let's get the hell out of here" was and that was probably a battle to get it on the air.
Before NYPB BLUE expanded the lexicon, M*A*S*H (the TV version) spelled out the full SOB on two separate episodes. Before they occurred, LITTLE HOUSE's Carrie spilled out a ''damn'' which was basically given the equivalent of an R-rating by her mother. Not to unleash the whole fucking encyclopedia, but as Chekov would say on HBO, ''Ze Keptin requires complete fucking information.''
 
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I dunno. I never get tired of hearing Karl Urban saying cunt on The Boys. That man has turned that word into an art form.

True, and yet nobody comes close to this particular actor when it comes to making pottymouth germane AND entertaining, which isn't easy to do convincingly:

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Best. Doctor Actor. Ever.

Best. Doctor. Ever. Too.
 
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