Nog never graduated. During his third year as a Cadet he was granted a field commission as an Ensign, and then a year and a half later when the War ended, he was promoted to Lieutenant.
Garrett Wang on his original role in PIC S3.
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Wartime promotions are a thing in any military. And Starfleet's close enough. Look at Rico in "Starship Troopers".
Movie. I read the book, and it was good as well. But the movie had Michael Ironside in it.
I'm sad I can't get over to Seattle for Emerald City comic con as three cast members will be there, including Ironsides.
Might check it out. It's just a light rail ride from where I am.
As Garak said to Nog during the battle in Sacrifice Of Angels : 'you're getting quite an education'. Probably, by the end of the war he pretty much had the equivalent of a Starfleet degree in knowledge, and quite possibly significantly beyond that.
Perhaps Starfleet saw it fit to offer him to come back after the war to finish his formal education in some accelerated course, dispensing with a lot of the stuff he had learned during service anyway, concentrating on the more theoretical subjects he still lacked (advanced courses such as Hyperdimensional Transkinetic Quantum Fractal Neural Geometries And Other Fancy Technobabble Like That).
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Like Wesley. After three years on Enterprise's bridge and earning the right to wear the uniform, he probably could have taught some of the classes at the academy.
That's a hypothetical only. As it stands canonically, Nog never did graduate the Academy, which was the point I was making.
It's a reality of war. If no one on Voyager had been promoted at any time, aside from replacing dead people, I would have considered Harry's long ensignhood a reality of Voyager's situation. Just as war necessitates a highly dynamic command structure, a stranded ship would theoretically justify a static one.
However, the reality was different. Tuvok was promoted, without anyone dying. Tom, same. And thanks to the Vidiians killing Durst, there was a vacancy for an Operations lieutenant.
However, the reality was different. Tuvok was promoted, without anyone dying. Tom, same. And thanks to the Vidiians killing Durst, there was a vacancy for an Operations lieutenant.
And she had a long and productive career in Starfleet, if Peter David's "New Frontier" novels (and her appearance in LD) are any indication.
I say, if an admiral needed to buy the farm (and Shelby's death isn't confirmed), then better "Eppy" (Captain Calhoun's pet name for her, which she despises) than the long-suffering Harry.
Even better, the movie also had Clancy Brown!
I wouldn't have minded if Harry remained an ensign, kinda like Segal's character in Under Siege was a cook.
At a certain point, Harry was the most by-the-book person on the bridge crew, but I wouldn't have minded if Harry's story was that after Voyager returned he kept getting into situations where he had to break Star Fleet rules, and because he wasn't a prestigious captain just kept getting busted down to Ensign. But anytime some hairy situation demanded experience and skill, Harry is always the first person his commander calls.
At a certain point, Harry was the most by-the-book person on the bridge crew, but I wouldn't have minded if Harry's story was that after Voyager returned he kept getting into situations where he had to break Star Fleet rules, and because he wasn't a prestigious captain just kept getting busted down to Ensign. But anytime some hairy situation demanded experience and skill, Harry is always the first person his commander calls.
Lucy is holding Harry's promotion football. Charlie taking a time out.
Lucy was the one in need of a time-out. Or worse.
I still maintain that they took Harry out of PIC because they didn't want to piss off the "poor dumb forever ensign Harry" crowd.
"When you find yourself in a hairy situation, who can you count on? Harry Kim, of course!!!"I wouldn't have minded if Harry remained an ensign, kinda like Segal's character in Under Siege was a cook.
At a certain point, Harry was the most by-the-book person on the bridge crew, but I wouldn't have minded if Harry's story was that after Voyager returned he kept getting into situations where he had to break Star Fleet rules, and because he wasn't a prestigious captain just kept getting busted down to Ensign. But anytime some hairy situation demanded experience and skill, Harry is always the first person his commander calls.
Harry and Tom Paris team up together to hunt down the rouge Starfleet Admiral Richard, in: Tom, Dick, and Harry
The difference was Segal's character was demoted after a mission went south, he didn't spend his entire career as a cook without ever advancing in rank.
Kim should have been guarantied a Lt JG spot just for not screwing up. And should went have to full Lt at the Captain's discretion and Tom Paris Locarno should have stayed an Ensign after his demotion.
Kim could have been an aid to Shelby though definitely not in service or high enough rank to be a Fleet Admiral. Possibly a Captain or Commodore by that point.
Kim could have been an aid to Shelby though definitely not in service or high enough rank to be a Fleet Admiral. Possibly a Captain or Commodore by that point.
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