Why the hate for Alex Kurtzman?
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It also explains why Marvel movies do so well outside the USA (lots of action, lots of eye candy, minimal dialogue).
Do understand I was being polite when I said "it didn't work for me". I made my thoughts about the TV Movie pretty clear in the S31 Forum. I gave it a 3 out of 10.
Section 31 is the first Star Trek since Into Darkness that I outright disliked.
As opposed to the 2009 Film, Beyond, Lower Decks or Strange New Worlds where I'm just not into them.
Anyway, I'm still interested in how it fares because I've seen a lot of good from Asia, or on Michelle Yeoh's case Hong Kong, but I've also seen a lot of terrible things from there as well. It's a mix, just like with everywhere else.
Paramount+ isn't even available in China. And "Asian people" don't just watch something cause there's an Asian in it.
I want you to think about that comment.
It can be carried in places besides Paramount+. I also never said anything about Asians watching something just because an Asian is in it.
Now you're just trying to pick a fight with me for the sake of it. I don't want a fight with you. I know that other people are dogpiling on you. I'm not one of them. Leave me alone.
I made a comment that I was interested in how it would do elsewhere and that's that. I don't like the S31 TV Movie, I don't defend the S31 TV Movie.
I don't know how I can possibly make that any more clear. I'm NOT a fan of the S31 TV Movie.
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I would find it hard to believe, in all honesty.
But then Trek fans watch, and rewatch things to death. That could account for some of those numbers.
If you believe those numbers, then I have a cryptocurrency with a dog face to sell you. ESPECIALLY if they're using social media numbers to gauge popularity.
I want you all to do an experiment.
Go look at social media engagement and video views for "STAR TREK DISCOVERY SEASON 5 FINALE" and then look at your average Picard Season 3 video. I bet the emotional conclusion to the widely popular and beloved STAR TREK DISCOVERY has less than 100k views.
I want you all to do an experiment.
Go look at social media engagement and video views for "STAR TREK DISCOVERY SEASON 5 FINALE" and then look at your average Picard Season 3 video. I bet the emotional conclusion to the widely popular and beloved STAR TREK DISCOVERY has less than 100k views.
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Tell that to Disney / Lucasfilm.
They think Asian people consume content because there are Asians in it.
When Disney / Lucasfilm tried to popularize Star Wars in China, they created an entire solar system for the setting of the story with inhabitants who look like Han Chinese and who have Han Chinese culture.
The Vow of Silver Dawn
The Vow of Silver Dawn, titled 《白银誓约》 in the original simplified Chinese, is a canon web-novel written by an author under the pseudonym "His Majesty the King." Announced in 2019, The Vow of Silver Dawn was written to incorporate Chinese culture to tell an authentic Star Wars story that would...
starwars.fandom.com
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Might as well go straight for the Official Trailers and get this over with.
Star Trek: Discovery Season 5 Official Trailer - 3.7 million views.
Star Trek: Picard Season 3 Official Trailer - 7.1 million views.
PIC Season 3 trailer getting twice as many views as the DSC Season 5 trailer? That doesn't surprise me. But DSC cleared well above just 100,000 views.
And I happen to be a fan of both series.
Star Trek: Discovery Season 5 Official Trailer - 3.7 million views.
Star Trek: Picard Season 3 Official Trailer - 7.1 million views.
PIC Season 3 trailer getting twice as many views as the DSC Season 5 trailer? That doesn't surprise me. But DSC cleared well above just 100,000 views.
And I happen to be a fan of both series.
The Picard trailer is not available in my country or many countries.
And I talked about scenes, not trailers. This is from the first relevant result in my search bar (usually top three)
8k views
318k views
40k views
only one of these shows gets spin offs. lol. lmao even.
I had it playing on a loop while I wrote my fanfiction.
I did something similar with Prodigy, which is probably why my day of "working from home" didn't work out so well.
Michelle Yeoh thinks that Empress Philippa Georgiou is a role model for young Asian women and Alex Kurtzman agrees.
These people are morally bankrupt.
Michelle Yeoh thinks that Empress Philippa Georgiou is a role model for young Asian women and Alex Kurtzman agrees.
Alex Kurtzman and other people behind NuTrek have an odd fascination, you could say even admiration, for Space Adolf.
These people are morally bankrupt.
Former Prodigy writer puts it best when you look at the disasters being pushed by Kurtzman.
There is no doubt in my mind -- none at all -- that Roddenberry would have hated the idea of Section 31 and would have vetoed it if it had been proposed when he had creative control. He killed the idea of a Starfleet conspiracy, for example, in season 1 of TNG and that's why we ended up with Remmick head 'splosions. He refused to let the regular Starfleet characters even have interpersonal conflicts. There is simply no way he would have approved of the philosophy that Kurtzman is advancing in that quote.
Now, in fairness, Roddenberry was often quite wrong about things. And there are many things you can point to that got better in Trek once it strayed from his strict rules. However, even though I am an enormous fan of DS9 and love what Behr and his team accomplished, I still to this day think Section 31 was a mistake. I think it was pushing things too far. I think it's fundamentally at odds with Trek's philosophy.
YMMV.
Now, in fairness, Roddenberry was often quite wrong about things. And there are many things you can point to that got better in Trek once it strayed from his strict rules. However, even though I am an enormous fan of DS9 and love what Behr and his team accomplished, I still to this day think Section 31 was a mistake. I think it was pushing things too far. I think it's fundamentally at odds with Trek's philosophy.
YMMV.
Section 31 was a cool, one-off idea where the characters were rightfully disgusted or cynical about it.
That's where it should have ended. It's like with any good idea, someone will find a way to follow up on it and ruin it. The Borg are the most obvious example.
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