News Starfleet Academy Coming to P+

[Danja]

Star Trek was wildly popular back in the 80s and 90s - things were not exactly rosey then, especially in the UK - yet the message that things could be different and humans better resonated for decades and decades.

How does promising a rosy future help people who are dealing with s%&# TODAY?

The problem with placing something in the far off future is that it risks being seen as irrelevant TODAY (I dont like TNG for that reason. I just couldn't relate to the characters.)

 

[Phily B]

How does promising a rosy future help people who are dealing with s%&# TODAY?

The problem with placing something in the far off future is that it risks being seen as irrelevant TODAY (I dont like TNG for that reason. I just couldn't relate to the characters.)

Many Star Trek characters are human in species only, they shouldn't be like modern humans. They should be something to aspire to, Roddenberry's "box" was a key component to this as it forced writers to think outside the box rather than fall onto the tired formula of interpersonal character drama every other show followed through on.

There are dozens of shows out there that "speak" to the "youth", Star Trek isn't going to be one anytime soon.

 

[Danja]

Many Star Trek characters are human in species only, they shouldn't be like modern humans.

I'm supposed to "aspire" to be bloviating and pretentious?

 

[cooleddie74]

The ENT characters were pretty close to being modern day, 21st century humans.

 

[Firebird]

Maybe Starfleet Academy will suck. I have no clue.

SNW is made by many of the same people who made DSC and the two shows are on opposite ends of my rankings of the streaming era Trek shows. Joel Schumacher made the two campiest Batman films since 1966 yet also directed Falling Down, one of the most devastating cinematic character studies of the postwar American psyche in my lifetime. Sometimes the same people can make you roll your eyes and click off the channel and then blow your mind with the depth and complexity of their next project.

I always think about Chris McKenna, who is responsible for writing Community's best episode "Remedial Chaos Theory," and the series' worst episode "The Art of Discourse."

Within all people, there are multitudes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's sad. "The youth" was a key component of Star Trek's success back in the 60s. Us kids loved it.

 

[Phily B]

I'm supposed to "aspire" to be bloviating and pretentious?

I would say being supremely confident in your abilities, no petty squabbling every day, being there because you're the best and being able to work together for the greater good. I'm not allowed to mention the modern day situation, so I won't. Humans in Star Trek should be ALIEN.

The ENT characters were pretty close to being modern day, 21st century humans.

Captain Archer is everything a Star Trek captain shouldn't be, grossly incompetent and was literally a nepotism hire.

 

[cooleddie74]

Welcome to reality. Even in Trek Captain Harriman of the Enterprise-B got his Captaincy because his father was a respected Starfleet Admiral.

Nepotism happens, even in good companies and organizations.

 

[Phily B]

Welcome to reality. Even in Trek Captain Harriman of the Enterprise-B got his Captaincy because his father was a respected Starfleet Admiral.

Nepotism happens, even in good companies and organizations.

"when I was in my early 20s on a trip to east Africa, I saw a gazelle"

 

[Nerys Myk]

Welcome to reality. Even in Trek Captain Harriman of the Enterprise-B got his Captaincy because his father was a respected Starfleet Admiral.

Nepotism happens, even in good companies and organizations.

Kirk's been a nepo hire too. Most folks head canonned George Kirk being in Starfleet long before '09. So have many TrekLit writers.

 

[Tuskin38]

Captain Archer is everything a Star Trek captain shouldn't be, grossly incompetent and was literally a nepotism hire.

He was also the first deep space captain, he had no one else to base himself on.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yep. And Janeway's father was an Admiral, too.

 

[Tuskin38]

The director of Section 31 is being awarded for his hard work, "yes sir" attitude and will be a series regular.

The director isn't a writer. And He's been directing Live action Trek since nearly the beginning.
I don't see what the issue it.

 

[Danja]

I would say being supremely confident in your abilities, no petty squabbling every day, being there because you're the best and being able to work together for the greater good. I'm not allowed to mention the modern day situation, so I won't.

People don't fight. People don't disagree. Everything is just happy happy, joy joy.

That's not the real world.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"when I was in my early 20s on a trip to east Africa, I saw a gazelle"

Connect watching a gazelle give birth to nepotism.

 

[Tuskin38]

"when I was in my early 20s on a trip to east Africa, I saw a gazelle"

What does that have to do with nepotism?

 

[cooleddie74]

Somehow the great-great-great-great-great grandson of Jim Fowler's gonna factor into this.

 

[Phily B]

And Janeway was also a mediocre (and psychotic) captain who stranded her crew in the Delta Quadrant.

I'm seeing a reoccurring theme here.

 

[Tuskin38]

Roddenberry's "box" was a key component to this as it forced writers to think outside the box rather than fall onto the tired formula of interpersonal character drama every other show followed through on.

They've been ignoring Roddenberry's box since TNG. Some of the best episodes of the franchise ignore some of his rules.

 

[cooleddie74]

And that's for the betterment of the franchise. Gene also being taken out of the direct day-to-day as early as 1981 and the filming of TWOK was also a wise idea.

Gene had his day. By the early 1980s it was drawing to a close.