I thought Tilly and Stamets got plenty of scenes from their own point of view, part of the problem was that it often felt like they were part of the Starship Discovery show and Burnham was part of a separate Michael Burnham show.
Garrett Series/TV Show?
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By the end of the show, it felt like Tilly/Stamets/Adira/Reno were off on completely different sets, doing completely different things. Mostly getting perfunctory lines in order to excuse being still on the show.
As I said at the time, Season 5 could have worked just as well if it were Michael, Book, and Rayner following around Moll and Lakk in a shuttlecraft. Which is why it failed as a season of Discovery. You didn't need the ship or the crew at all.
Agreed.
Michael was the main character and drives the action. That's all.
Despite that, Detmer got an episode, Culber got a pov episode and such.
I found her grating from day one and my opinion has never changed even by the end of the series finale.
This. The inclusion of the Garrett character was literally the only reason why I watched it. She was a huge disappointment in a sea of S31 movie disappointments. Her character was very generic other than the one or two shoehorned-in mentions of 'you'll be a great captain one day/how are you ever going to be a great captain if you don't have guts' (or whatever stupid line they said.) And the whole idea of Starfleet sending a mere lieutenant to watch over these dingbats was just dumb.
Literally the only redeeming quality about Garrett (and the entire movie in general) was her phaser, which we never even got to see up close.
As for having an entire series about her? No thanks. Let's have an original character as the series lead rather than yet another past person whose fate we already know about.
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I tend to agree that I am less interested in "timeline gap filler" show concepts. I am more interested in moving the timeline forward.
But, execution can go a long way with this. I am a franchise completist and will watch everything, so it's possible to draw me in if it's well done. I even liked a lot of DSC, and what I liked best was before the time jump, when it was a timeline gap filler. I also really enjoy SNW a whole lot. So I guess I am contradicting myself a bit...I just want it to be well conceived and well made. S31 didn't feel like it was.
I don't care where in the timeline a show is set, just like I don't care if it set on a starship or a star base. Just tell me a good story, man.
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Certainly lots of intrigue and interest exists as of now for the "lost era". What's more, there's lots of terrific tales, still to be told about such. Hope some better tv movies/tv shows, in contrast to section 31, are soon upon the horizon.
Star Trek: Who Is Rachel Garrett in Section 31?
Other than Michelle Yeoh's Philippa Georgiou, Kacey Rohl's Rachel Garrett is the only Star Trek legacy character in Section 31 and she's a big deal.
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STAR TREK: SECTION 31 Gives a Backstory to the First Woman Enterprise Captain
The future first female Captain of the starship Enterprise, Rachel Garrett, gets a history in the Section 31 film on Paramount+.
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Certainly lots of intrigue and interest exists as of now for the "lost era". What's more, there's lots of terrific tales, still to be told about such. Hope some better tv movies/tv shows, in contrast to section 31, are soon upon the horizon.
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I agree! Somewhere along the way, it was thought that each new Star Trek had to be moved forward, where the idea is to show that humanity has "moved forward" from the here and now.
Star Trek should just show us somewhere in our future, telling great stories with a varied group of people working together to solve problems and help others.
And it's done by great storytelling.
Well whattya know!!;
Star Trek: Who Is Rachel Garrett in Section 31?
Other than Michelle Yeoh's Philippa Georgiou, Kacey Rohl's Rachel Garrett is the only Star Trek legacy character in Section 31 and she's a big deal.
STAR TREK: SECTION 31 Gives a Backstory to the First Woman Enterprise Captain
The future first female Captain of the starship Enterprise, Rachel Garrett, gets a history in the Section 31 film on Paramount+.
Certainly lots of intrigue and interest exists as of now for the "lost era". What's more, there's lots of terrific tales, still to be told about such. Hope some better tv movies/tv shows, in contrast to section 31, are soon upon the horizon.
Screenrant is a clickbait site. I wouldn’t trust anything they say.
This part is what I have an issue with (among many in the movie), in that if Section 31 is supposed to be operating outside of Starfleet, why even have an observer from Starfleet?
They're supposed to be a group that does things that Starfleet can't or won't do. Why have Starfleet presence? It can't be telling the story of the start of Section 31. They've been in existence for a while.
I don’t think Garrett was even part of the initial idea for the series. I doubt the show was even supposed to take place during the Lost Era; it was probably going to be during the DSC era.
If they take Garrett and Quasi out of Section 31 and put them into Starfleet Intelligence proper, and treat it as a sequel to SNW and prequel to TNG, there’s a tv show there. They can get 5-6 seasons out of that, and a movie.
Ha, yes. In the beginning of the movie she’s all “I am here to make sure you don’t commit murder; Starfleet has a strict no murder policy,” and at the end she’s saying “I am a science officer and I will use my science powers to murder this guy, so the inconsistency is on many levels.
Yes! I remember during ENT, at the height of post 9/11 hysteria, people were saying stuff like this in the wider culture and Trek tried to speak to this sensibility with bad results. We’re still doing it, it seems.
What’s sad is that current events can make for a very compelling spy-type story: there is a totalitarian wing of various shadowy people in the galaxy working to take over the federation from the inside in order to consolidate their own wealth and power, and we need to stop them. I’d watch it! We need it!
If they did Deep Space Nine these days, let's be real - Kurtzman would have the Bajorans as the bad guys because they're "terrorists" and the Cardassians - with their overwhelming military and economic might - as the oppressed. The only television show with any balls in the last few years that has been both GOOD and SUCCESSFUL was "The Boys" with the most on the nose social commentary possible (that now looks subtle).
Oh man you’re right! Also right about the The Boys…look at how many people do not understand that Homelander is the villain!!!
People liked Dukat and Garak too.
That's cause they were often portrayed as good guys from the perspective of the protagonists or were merely a product of the system they grew up in. It doesn't help that the DS9 writers messed up several aspect of Dukat's character which made him relatively moderate for a Cardassian.
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