Why the hate for Alex Kurtzman?

[HotRod]

I edited all the instances of the word (we can do that, you know).



Easy, tiger.

Anyway, who could have possibly known that this subject would lead to insults and slurs?

Oh, that's right. Me.

I will leave this open for now, but I'm asking everyone to discuss respectfully. Any further nonsense and the thread will be closed and warnings given out.

That is all.

Got it, boss. I actually thought we were doing pretty good. We pretty much went 7 pages before it turned a little sour.

 

[CaptainCalvinCat]

I understand that you mean well, but please don’t reproduce the f-word without really needing to. Mind you, I’m not telling you this as a mod (since I don’t mod this forum), I’m just asking as a fellow poster. (And if this were a German-speaking forum I would ask the same about the German equivalent you used, which most here won’t recognize of course.)

But rest assured, @HotRod is correct in his assessment about this particular poster. I’m reasonably certain this is a raging homophobe, transphobe and racist. Because while they might not be so stupid that they would openly post this crap here, they are not clever enough to post it under a different screen name at other places on the internet. I’ll leave it at that.

Aye, aye, will do. Not using that f-word anymore, was just to translate this derogative term with the english derogative term.

I know you do not mean to offend, please edit the f word you posted.

I'll keep that in mind for the future.

I edited all the instances of the word (we can do that, you know).

Thank you very much. *bows his head*

Feel free to take off your gatekeeper hat and that other hat you have twirling on your finger.....
I never understand why its 'divisive' to recognise in society everyone does not look like or live the life of the person you see in the mirror and to have that reflected in public entertainment.

Probably, the same reason why "woke" and "linksgrün-versifft" is used in Germany - you want to show "No, I don't agree with that and I'm immediately dis-encourage people to actually take the side against me, because "You don't want to be woke or linksgrün-versifft, do you?"

Anyway, who is to say a person is in charge of Star Trek in 20 years? Someone could own the property, but running it is another thing...(This is only a partial joke inspired by my paralysing fear of the future)

You mean an A.I.? Well, I wrote this a couple of weeks ago, concerning Chat GPT:

Well, I tested it.

May I present to you the - of course, completely true - summary of my Fanfiction "Schweinehunde unter sich"? So, I asked "Summarize the German Fanfiction "Schweinehunde unter sich". Who wrote it, what is it about, what characters die in it?"

ChatGPT said to that:
"Schweinehunde unter sich" is a German fanfiction written by the author Streicherin. The fanfiction is set in the world of the "Das Boot" series, which involves military and war themes, specifically focusing on a group of German soldiers during World War II. The story delves into the moral and emotional complexities of the characters, particularly exploring the themes of survival, guilt, and camaraderie.

The narrative primarily revolves around a group of soldiers on a U-boat, depicting their relationships, struggles, and the harshness of war. The title "Schweinehunde unter sich," meaning "Swine Dogs Among Themselves," suggests a raw and unflinching portrayal of these men, emphasizing the brutal conditions and their moral deterioration.

As for character deaths, several key characters meet grim fates, which contributes to the tragic atmosphere of the fanfiction. The deaths underscore the story's exploration of sacrifice, loyalty, and the brutal reality of war. The death of certain characters serves as a turning point in the plot, deepening the emotional stakes and reflecting the inevitable cost of survival.

This fanfiction is notable for its realistic and somber depiction of war and its psychological effects on soldiers, as well as its focus on the intricate relationships between the characters.

Yeah, what can I say? That's of course the complete truth, since my story, that I posted here, on a Star-Trek-Board is of course a story, that's taking place in "Das Boot", and of course my Name is "Streicherin", not CaptainCalvinCat. ^^ And of course "Schweinehunde unter sich" does not - and I repet not mean "Bastards among themselves", which is in no way, shape or form a reference to that, what Gibbs always said, concerning a certain recurring-and-main-character-killing-side-character.

Furthermore Chat-GPT stated that:
In the German fanfiction "Schweinehunde unter sich", Tony DiNozzo, a beloved character from the TV show NCIS, is killed by his colleague, Leroy Jethro Gibbs. The fanfic portrays a dark and dramatic alternate scenario where Gibbs, under extreme circumstances, kills Tony. This story, while fictional, explores a tragic and intense shift in their relationship, showcasing a dramatic departure from their usual camaraderie.

Oh, by the way - one of the deaths, that the summary alludes to?

In the German fanfiction "Schweinehunde unter sich", Tony DiNozzo, a beloved character from the TV show NCIS, is killed by his colleague, Leroy Jethro Gibbs. The fanfic portrays a dark and dramatic alternate scenario where Gibbs, under extreme circumstances, kills Tony. This story, while fictional, explores a tragic and intense shift in their relationship, showcasing a dramatic departure from their usual camaraderie.

This is interesting, because

In the fanfiction "Schweinehunde unter sich", C.N. Cat dies as a result of Tony DiNozzo's actions. In the story, Tony kills C.N. Cat during a tragic and violent confrontation. This event is a key plot point in the story, which is known for its darker and more dramatic take on the NCIS characters, including Tony and Gibbs.

The reasons for C.N. Cat's death are tied to the intense emotional and psychological tensions present in the story, highlighting themes of betrayal, inner conflict, and the breaking down of personal relationships. The fanfic explores a very bleak and tragic scenario that deeply alters the dynamics between the characters involved.

Would you like more details or context about the fanfic?

By the way - C.N. manages, to get killed by Tony and Samantha Carter.

Chat GPT states: In the fanfiction "Schweinehunde unter sich", Samantha Carter kills C.N. Cat as part of a complex and tragic turn of events within the story. The reasons behind this action stem from a combination of emotional turmoil, shifting allegiances, and intense personal conflict between the characters. This moment is one of the darker, more dramatic points in the fanfic, which is known for its exploration of difficult choices and morally gray areas.

The story does not portray a simple act of violence, but rather a culmination of circumstances that lead to betrayal and a breakdown in relationships. Samantha Carter's decision to kill C.N. Cat is driven by the complex nature of the narrative, where characters often find themselves in situations where they make extreme choices out of desperation, fear, or frustration.

This plot choice is significant because it highlights the deep emotional and psychological struggles the characters face, adding to the tragic atmosphere of the story. If you're interested in more details about the specific events leading up to this, I can provide further insights!

I mean, it's good at writing - bringing words together - but sometimes it doesn't make lots of sense.

 

[carcinoGeneticist]

Why must we fight so often? This forum is supposed to be about just having discussions about Star Trek!

 

[BillJ]

Why must we fight so often? This forum is supposed to be about just having discussions about Star Trek!

Diverse group of people with diverse opinions.

 

[Danja]

Why must we fight so often? This forum is supposed to be about just having discussions about Star Trek!

We're Star Trek fans! That's what we do!

We argue and drink raktajino!

 

[CaptainCalvinCat]

We're Star Trek fans! That's what we do!

We argue and drink raktajino!

And read or write Fanfics. ^^ And now, I'mma drink a cola.

 

[carcinoGeneticist]

We're Star Trek fans! That's what we do!

We argue and drink raktajino!

Clearly I'm not a Star Trek fan because I just had to Google what raktajino was

 

[HotRod]

Why must we fight so often? This forum is supposed to be about just having discussions about Star Trek!

We haven't yet reached a Roddenberry level of human enlightenment. Interpersonal conflict is still very much a thing.

 

[Danja]

Clearly I'm not a Star Trek fan because I just had to Google what raktajino was

Quark! One virgin raktajino for the little guy here!

 

[Nerys Myk]

people who like the divisive identity politics he injected into Star Trek can like what he created (or is responsible for as the man in charge). Even without looking at the divisive politics of NuTrek and all the antagonization it caused (I don't want to go into that any deeper here),

Bro, do you even Star Trek? The franchise that gets kudos for having people of color in the cast (TOS), a blind guy (TNG), a black captain (DS9) and a woman captain (VOY). The one that uses thinly veiled allegory to address contemporary issues? The one with the concept of Infinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations?

Seriously. Bro, do you even Star Trek?

 

[Mudd]

Why must we fight so often? This forum is supposed to be about just having discussions about Star Trek!

Because we are discussing Star Trek, we must fight often and repetitively.

One thing that all of Kurtzman's Star Treks have been is successful. Whether it's Kelvin Trek, STD, the animateds or the rest of streaming,* Kurtzman's involvement is the reason (not the sole reason) that Star Trek is something other than a franchise that died twenty years ago after outliving its popularity.

Even Roddenberry was able to leverage the ongoing Trek films being produced by Bennett in order to produce a new version of Trek for TV. Abrams, Kurtzman and Orci had to work from a standing start to revive the property.

*Including the best TV Trek since TOS, Strange New Worlds.

 

[HotRod]

Kurtzman's involvement is the reason (not the sole reason) that Star Trek is something other than a franchise that died twenty years ago after outliving its popularity.

And yet, there are those who would rather Star Trek died 20 years ago, then continue the way it has.

I don't understand those people.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

And yet, there are those who would rather Star Trek died 20 years ago, then continue the way it has.

I don't understand those people.

I believe their argument is that it should have died and remained dead instead of "walking around like a zombie, a mindless shell of what it once was" now. (Their line of argument, not mine.)

 

[Mudd]

And yet, there are those who would rather Star Trek died 20 years ago, then continue the way it has.

I don't understand those people.

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[Nyotarules]

Got it, boss. I actually thought we were doing pretty good. We pretty much went 7 pages before it turned a little sour.

There are six eyes on this thread, if my fellow mod wears glasses then there are eight eyes on this thread. My finger hovers over the close button but so far its back on a reasonable track

 

[fireproof78]

Bro, do you even Star Trek? The franchise that gets kudos for having people of color in the cast (TOS), a blind guy (TNG), a black captain (DS9) and a woman captain (VOY). The one that uses thinly veiled allegory to address contemporary issues? The one with the concept of Infinite Diversity In Infinite Combinations?

Seriously. Bro, do you even Star Trek?

Perhaps IDIC is concept only Vulcans can grasp.

Or is it Vulcanians?

 

[Campe]

And yet, there are those who would rather Star Trek died 20 years ago, then continue the way it has.

I don't understand those people.

If one does not like something, one can choose to ignore it. I get commenting your dislike of something and moving on. Continuing to engage with something to a level of actively trying to see it fail is definitely baffling to me.

 

[Farscape One]

As with Rick Berman, there are things I agree with and things I don't about Alex Kurtzman's decisions for the franchise.

I overall am fine with him, just like Berman.

One of the biggest positives of Kurtzman is his era has a show for pretty much every type of fan. I don't agree with some of them, but at least it makes others happy. That helps keep the franchise going.

So no, Kurtzman doesn't deserve massive hate. (Frankly, neither did Berman.)

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Similarly, im old enough to remember when Enterprise was seen as a "non-canon" and ruinous entry into the Star Trek family, I now know of a lot of people who have suddenly changed their minds about it. It's not universal, of course, but its a trend that can't be ignored. It's also the same with the Star Wars prequels.

I think people started coming around on Enterprise when it made an effort to steer closer to existing Star Trek, explaining their Vulcans' behaviour, even straight up showing TOS and TNG ships to make absolutely clear that the timeline hadn't been changed and nothing had been lost.

 

[BillJ]

There is simply nothing for me to gain hating Alex Kurtzman, Rick Berman or other studio folks. Well, I guess it could give me an ulcer.

I can just find something else to watch, read, play or listen to.