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Moments on TNG that make you cringe.

Barely class M is still class M. That's a properly habitable world with an entirely breathable atmosphere created by some kind of local plant life.
it was a desert planet. what are the odds of setting down on tatooine, or even in the sahara on earth, with no supplies, and finding yourself able to survive with nothing.....

i found it unlikely that they even found some place to crash - that barely class M desert even itself is hard to believe being so close. lol


then the episode doesn't even really explain any of what it was or why it was there or what was going on at all.
 
Yeah, the episode's really vague about stuff and kind of unsatisfying. But the worst part for me is that they make a point of telling us that LaForge ran a safety and operational check on the ship, and then it breaks down. What the hell Geordi?
 
Yeah, the episode's really vague about stuff and kind of unsatisfying. But the worst part for me is that they make a point of telling us that LaForge ran a safety and operational check on the ship, and then it breaks down. What the hell Geordi?

thats a good point. and they sent the captain out in that thing lol.
 
it was a desert planet. what are the odds of setting down on tatooine, or even in the sahara on earth, with no supplies, and finding yourself able to survive with nothing.....

i found it unlikely that they even found some place to crash - that barely class M desert even itself is hard to believe being so close. lol


then the episode doesn't even really explain any of what it was or why it was there or what was going on at all.
They landed on a desert region. Doesn't mean the entire moon was a desert.
 
Maybe, but they were heading in the only logical direction, which was the mountains. At the very least, it would provide some shade from the heat.

The thing is, your argument can be used for pretty much every series that existed. It's a tv series, and some things just have to be taken as a given.


Though I will say this... not knowing why the energy field existed to begin with is a mystery that was not solved, and I'm fine with that. Too often, everything is explained by the end of the episode. There SHOULD be some mystery left in the universe... makes it more believable. No matter how advanced you get, there's still going to be some things left unsolved because we simply don't know everything.

(Plus, they had more important things to worry about than finding out why the energy field was there. Little things like staying alive.)
 
The basic plotting that Riker almost gets Starfleet Command (and Academy) taken over thanks to a game, brought in by someone on TNG's STD planet (no relation to Wrigley's Pleasure Planet, of course.)
My dad really, really, really hates that episode. He calls it a PSA. I also have a friend whom I semi-frequently send screenshots of the CGI of "The Game" itself and she finds the image of the game extremely unsettling for some reason lol
 
Remember in Code Of Honor when Tasha is captured, and her life (and potentially millions of others) is in danger? And Picard and Troy go to visit her while she's a prisoner?

What does Troy ask Tasha, who is a Federation officer and obviously understands what is at stake? And does she ask it in front of Captain Picard?

She asks how hot she thinks her captor is. What the hell does whether or not he's attractive have to do with anything? He could be aesthetically disgusting, he could respond perfectly to Tasha's standards of beauty. But it didn't matter at all. She was there as a Star Fleet officer and millions of lives were at stake. What importance did physical appearance have in the whole affair??? It's like saying "You know, as a woman you are not trustworthy if you think you are prey to an attractive and charming man. We need to know precisely how wet you get for him. It is of the utmost importance."

Let's also remember that we are talking about a character who spent her childhood and adolescence running away from the infamous "rape gangs". Topics such as non-consensual sexuality could be triggering for her. Doing it in that context, especially considering that it has practically no relevance to the situation, is incredibly bad taste on the part of the authors.
 
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Remember in Code Of Honor when Tasha is captured, and her life (and potentially millions of others) is in danger? And Picard and Troy go to visit her while she's a prisoner?

What does Troy ask Tasha, who is a Federation officer and obviously understands what is at stake? And does he ask it in front of Captain Picard?

She asks how hot she thinks her captor is. What the hell does whether or not he's attractive have to do with anything? He could be aesthetically disgusting, he could respond perfectly to Tasha's standards of beauty. But it didn't matter at all. She was there as a Star Fleet officer and millions of lives were at stake. What importance did physical appearance have in the whole affair??? It's like saying "You know, as a woman you are not trustworthy if you think you are prey to an attractive and charming man. We need to know precisely how wet you get for him. It is of the utmost importance."

Let's also remember that we are talking about a character who spent her childhood and adolescence running away from the infamous "rape gangs". Topics such as non-consensual sexuality could be triggering for her. Doing it in that context, especially considering that it has practically no relevance to the situation, is incredibly bad taste on the part of the authors.

It's peak 1980s female character writing tho. (Horrifyingly so.) There are a zillion scenes on shows like Dallas where it's constantly stated that women are "irrational" and "overly emotional" and basically incapable of not finding men attractive. The fact that they have this on a show that's supposed to be set in an "enlightened" future only makes it all even worse, of course.
 
It's peak 1980s female character writing tho. (Horrifyingly so.) There are a zillion scenes on shows like Dallas where it's constantly stated that women are "irrational" and "overly emotional" and basically incapable of not finding men attractive. The fact that they have this on a show that's supposed to be set in an "enlightened" future only makes it all even worse, of course.
Yep! People always say how incredible racist "Code Of Onor" is. They forget that it's sexist too.
 
It's peak 1980s female character writing tho. (Horrifyingly so.) There are a zillion scenes on shows like Dallas where it's constantly stated that women are "irrational" and "overly emotional" and basically incapable of not finding men attractive. The fact that they have this on a show that's supposed to be set in an "enlightened" future only makes it all even worse, of course.
It drives me crazy for Troi as a therapist. Come on with those comments? Who cares about how attractive your captor is; this is a diplomatic situation that calls for a measure of analysis not gossip.

That Troi becomes more of a diplomat at times in interpreting culture and laws in later episodes strains my brain.

Also, TNG could have learned about writing female characters from any number of 80s shows because I've rewatched a couple and they are not as cringe as TNG here.
 
I like the episode Peak Performance from the second season. The character Kolrami is a lot of fun, and Data's sub plot is cute. "I busted him up!" But there are a couple of moments where there's this terrible actress mugging horribly through her inexplicable presence in the scene. One gets the impression she was somebody's niece angling for a regular spot on the show. I don't even know if her character is given a name. She's on the Hathaway helping out in some way. It makes me groan every time I watch it.
 
The children in Disaster are a disaster. But that also may be the point. I only sympathise with Picard in those scenes, I don't know if it was intended I feel anything other than deep loathing for the children or not but I do. Otherwise it's a great episode.

Lots of Wesley moments. A big standout in Best of Both Worlds where he has for some reason been invited to the anti-Borg strategy meeting and when Geordi says his mind has turned to clay, Wesley just suddenly grabs his head and goes mine too. He was just a child pretending to be one of the adults.

Attempted girl talk between Crusher and Troi about toes curling and boobs firming up. They didn't really know what to do with either of those characters did they.
 
That Troi becomes more of a diplomat at times in interpreting culture and laws in later episodes strains my brain.
And that she so ferociously defends letting the Boraalans die in "Homeward" bugs the hell out of me. Of all the characters who should have compassion for a doomed race of people, it's her.
 
Remember in Code Of Honor when Tasha is captured, and her life (and potentially millions of others) is in danger? And Picard and Troy go to visit her while she's a prisoner?

What does Troy ask Tasha, who is a Federation officer and obviously understands what is at stake? And does she ask it in front of Captain Picard?

She asks how hot she thinks her captor is. What the hell does whether or not he's attractive have to do with anything? He could be aesthetically disgusting, he could respond perfectly to Tasha's standards of beauty. But it didn't matter at all. She was there as a Star Fleet officer and millions of lives were at stake. What importance did physical appearance have in the whole affair??? It's like saying "You know, as a woman you are not trustworthy if you think you are prey to an attractive and charming man. We need to know precisely how wet you get for him. It is of the utmost importance."

I definitely agree, the scene seems irrelevant, and it is from any practical standpoint. I do think there's an idea in there, but the execution if clearly poor.

The scene is very human-centric and relying on that assumption (meaning that if the Ligonians were to be reptilian or whatever, then other changes would have to be made - good luck on that.)

But I wonder if the scene is trying to do a "let's showcase Troi's abilities moment" in her figuring out Tasha's mindset, her empathy psi ability figuring out Tasha might have a hint of attraction. If that's the case, it doesn't quite succeed either, because it doesn't feel relevant to the script's more important elements, or is trying too hard to make the script more complex and edgy by Yar now having an internal conflict on top of everything else. But it just doesn't ring through on screen.

I couldn't find the video clip, so I looked up the transcript:

TASHA: Captain. Deanna.
PICARD: Did you have any idea, Lieutenant, that Lutan was suddenly going to announce that he wanted you for his First One?
TASHA: No, sir.
So far, it should just be a standard plot development.
PICARD: Tell me what you know about this?
TASHA: Nothing, sir.
It's bad enough that Picard is repeating himself on this already, as the total time used as filler is about three seconds. Seems out of character for him, he's a captain and not a day care center guardian.
TROI: But it was a thrill. Lutan is such, such a basic male image and having him say he wants you.
TASHA: Yes, of course it made me feel good when he--
That should be the conflict, and as it's too soon in the series, and definitely does not mesh with (a) her surviving some directly related horrifying experiences in the past, and (b) is an odd juxtaposition against a subconscious desire for gentleness as we were told in "The Naked Now" (albeit as unconvincingly as she's going at it with a robot.)

So for that reason alone, the scene already fails. No continuity. True, word processors were still new and lacked all of the panache that today's advanced script editing software has (e.g. "Final Draft", et al.) I think that's what the episode was trying to go for, but it's kludged in too abruptly and inconsistently. 3 episodes in and it already forgets the previous 2.

But it gets even more befuddling:

Troi, I'm your friend and you tricked me.
TROI: Only so you'd think about it, completely and clearly.
Another scene, where it's supposed to be a good Troi moment, doesn't quite work - at least this time it's due to the situation and not Troi saying "Captain he's hiding the obvious".

In another episode, even the one with Devinoni Ral, might make more sense to get someone out of their puppydog eyes routine. Shame Guinan didn't ask Troi that same question with Ral!
PICARD: We're all being manipulated, Lieutenant, myself most of all.
TROI: How simple all this would be without the Prime Directive.
PICARD: That thought had passed through my mind, Counsellor.

The crux of the episode, everyone being manipulated. To the point that Picard launches a volley of torpedoes just above and across the atmosphere as a fear tactic, massively breaking the prime directive (his "code of honor") in the process. Now compare to how Lutan doesn't break his at the end. The episode was trying way too hard with these ideas, on top of being an inconsistent mess in what should have been a great outing for Yar.

Let's also remember that we are talking about a character who spent her childhood and adolescence running away from the infamous "rape gangs". Topics such as non-consensual sexuality could be triggering for her. Doing it in that context, especially considering that it has practically no relevance to the situation, is incredibly bad taste on the part of the authors.

Or it shows she overcame those trigger sensations? While it can be possible; it not always is. Not sure on how it is in the 24th century, but here's an interesting bit of info:

"The military does have a waiver process for certain mental health conditions. This means that if you have a history of one of these conditions but can demonstrate that you’ve been stable and symptom-free for a certain period, you might still be eligible to serve." (https://neurolaunch.com/can-you-join-the-military-with-mental-illness/)

I want to believe the goal was to show Yar overcoming a horrific childhood. Again, the story clearly fumbles, as had a lot of early season 1, but the idea seems to be there.

Everyone's different But given how many issues season 1 had with inconsistent characterizations, it's more likely that the writers completely forgot about most characters' traits. Look at how poorly "Justice" treats just about everyone as another extreme example.
 
And she becomes a linguist in Darmok. You know, it's bizarre that there is no specialist in this discipline on a spaceship with a thousand people on board, whose mission is to meet "new worlds and new civilizations".

It's like they took that scene from "The Ensigns of Command", changed the idea from translating alien languages (and in a comparatively genuinely intelligent scene) into "Let's do an episode where their language is actually English but in direct loose metaphors to make it seem alien-esque".

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(Simple. To the point. Clever. Not something you can easily pad out into 40 minutes and with references to "forty-seven".)

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(Remember, the Tamarians spat from their ship all that ionizing treknobabble that konked out the EM thingy across the atmosphereawoobly meant that the translators were as useless as every other bit of communication- and transportation- type devices, so neither ship could communicate or beam on up or anything. At least the sensor frequencies were in operation, to ensure that this episode - influenced by "Arena" wouldn't be hamstrung too much.)
 
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