Spoilers Section 31 General Discussion Thread
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They showed up in both ENT and TAS. There’s chronologically nothing wrong with having them in S31. It can be assumed that they were just more rare and resource intensive in the years leading up to TNG, so it’s really not a big deal. That, and Riker probably spent too much time sequestered away in Alaska and Tycho City, playing Anbo Jitsu and Parisses Squares in his youth to go looking for one.
Actually, what he says was that he "didn't believe that these simulations could be this real", not that he had never seen a holodeck or holographic simulation before. I see his comments as reacting to an upgrade in the technology, perhaps eliminating the 24th century equivalent of the uncanny valley.
I mean, we saw holographic simulations in Discovery, but they were essentially just target practice. They weren't force field enhanced fully realistic holograms that you could interact with. The technology had to start somewhere.
ETA: Not to mention TAS The Practical Joker.
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Is that what he said?
Disco already showed a holodeck while they were still in the 23rd century, we see Lorca and Tyler training in one in the first season.
TAS already showed us the holodeck rec room.
Janeway talked about using the holodeck when she was a child
As recently as the first episode of Lower Decks, those characters were still acting like the holodeck was something new and impressive.
Star Trek has never been consistent about the holodecks. At all. And I haven't even gotten started on how inconsistent the technology itself has been depicted.
Some youtuber claims to have seen a 75% version of the movie (so 25% different?) with no sfx, sounds, music, and found it terrible, acknowledging that is wasn't the final product though.
If the Reddit link doesn't work, look up Jamie Rixom (SciTrek)
Not that I'm saying they're lying, but if I were in their position, I'd drop 1-3 spoilers from the movie, so people after release would see I really had inside info and wasn't just making an educated guess.
That's not what he said.
RIKER: I didn't believe these simulations could be this real.
DATA: Much of it is real, sir. If the transporters can convert our bodies to an energy beam, then back to the original pattern again
RIKER: Yes, of course. And these rocks and vegetation have much simpler patterns.
DATA: Correct, sir. The rear wall.
RIKER: I can't see it.
DATA: We're right next to it.
(He throws a rock at it, and the image pixilates on impact)
RIKER: Incredible!
Okay, he'd never seen a holodeck that looked realistic, with replicated objects and an image projected on the wall.
But they were just target practice. They weren't solid interactive holograms that you could interact with.
We said that about Jurassic Park in 93
Did that make the holograms look any less real? Or the holographic surroundings?
They were clearly holograms. The TNG ones were treated as far more close to flesh and blood or the appropriate material.
As long as the holograms are cell animation we should be fine
I'm afraid TAS has been shuffled out of canon as well to that universe where "Discovery" now takes place.
Never!
The only things that are canon in TAS are the things that Lower Decks decided to bring back 
GIANT SPOCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!The only things that are canon in TAS are the things that Lower Decks decided to bring back
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