"Star Trek Begins" - The 'Origins' Film Discussion

[Nerys Myk]

So many canon violations.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

So many canon violations.

The 00's were wacky.

 

[StarTrek1701]

JJ Abrams is producing this movie I believe but it seems the current tagline is talking about the beginning of the Kelvin era.
But the beginning of it literally was 2009's first 5 minutes lol.
If it's before 2233.04 that means it's still Prime timeline. So...

 

[Tomalak]

Abrams has a producer credit but appears to have little, if any, active involvement.

The reporting suggests it's the prime universe, or a common history.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Abrams has a producer credit but appears to have little, if any, active involvement.

The reporting suggests it's the prime universe, or a common history.

Paramount is going down the same lane as Warner Bros then.
If they thought Beyond was a flop..

 

[Tomalak]

Depends where they've set expectations and budget.

It could be a decent hit like ST09.

 

[Dukhat]

I'm assuming that it's going to be a run-of-the-mill 21st century sci-fi alien invasion flick with Star Trek slapped on the title.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm assuming that it's going to be a run-of-the-mill 21st century sci-fi alien invasion flick with Star Trek slapped on the title.

Must be the version where Vulcan is conquered! Tiberius Kirk, wearing sunglasses, chomping on a cigar with a machine gun in each hand. A hot, half-dressed Vulcan babe at his feet. "Welcome to Earth!!!"

 

[Dukhat]

Must be the version where Vulcan is conquered! Tiberius Kirk, wearing sunglasses, chomping on a cigar with a machine gun in each hand. A hot, half-dressed Vulcan babe at his feet. "Welcome to Earth!!!"

Hey, I'd watch that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hey, I'd watch that.

Dear Paramount. Check please.

 

[FederationHistorian]

If we go by the biography seen in In A Mirror Darkly*, Archer wasn't the first President.

Actually, we don't know if Archer was the first President or not.

America has had presidents before Washington, they just aren't counted as they were Presidents of the Continental Congress. It could be the same thing with the Federation - a bunch of Presidents on a special council before Archer is the first.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Valid point

 

[HotRod]

Actually, we don't know if Archer was the first President or not.

America has had presidents before Washington, they just aren't counted as they were Presidents of the Continental Congress. It could be the same thing with the Federation - a bunch of Presidents on a special council before Archer is the first.

I'm just going by the admittedly non-canon biography briefly seen in the episode.

 

[The Wormhole]

There's the equally non-canon newspaper clipping in Picard's family album in Generations which refers to Thomas Vanderbilt as the first President of the Federation.

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm just going by the admittedly non-canon biography briefly seen in the episode.

The President part of the Bio was seen on screen so it is canon.

 

[FredH]

Actually, we don't know if Archer was the first President or not.

America has had presidents before Washington, they just aren't counted as they were Presidents of the Continental Congress. It could be the same thing with the Federation - a bunch of Presidents on a special council before Archer is the first.

Point of order: They were Presidents of the Continental Congress (the organization/council). They were not Presidents of the United States (the country). So no, America did not have previous Presidents.

 

[Dukhat]

The President part of the Bio was seen on screen so it is canon.

Until later on-screen info contradicts it, as has happened many times.

 

[137th Gebirg]

* Laughs in "James R. Kirk" *

* Raises eyebrow in "Vulcanian" *

 

[Tuskin38]

Until later on-screen info contradicts it, as has happened many times.

Of course.

 

[StarTrek1701]

* Laughs in "James R. Kirk" *

* Raises eyebrow in "Vulcanian" *

The first half of the first S01 of TOS can be given an extra pass cuz they were still establishing the show.
TNG onward canon violations should always be pointed out.