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"Star Trek Begins" - The 'Origins' Film Discussion

You can choose to think of them that way or not to think of them way. But the exact the exact same thing is true of anything set in the 21st or 22nd centuries. All of them now share the same situation of the audience knowing what lies in their future, regardless.

That's only if DSC season 3 through SFA is considered 'the' future, as opposed to just 'a possible' future. And that would be up to whoever is in charge of Star Trek at the time and would make those decisions. So no, nothing is completely set in stone.
 
By that logic, couldn't TNG be considered only a "possible" future to TOS? I've never understood this "oh they're gonna retcon the 32nd century" mindset.

I didn't say they were going to do that. I just said that there's a possibility that some future showrunner will say that the Burn took place in a different continuity, and is just a possible future, depending on the story they want to tell. Because this is all fiction and subject to the writers' whims.
 
I didn't say they were going to do that. I just said that there's a possibility that some future showrunner will say that the Burn took place in a different continuity, and is just a possible future, depending on the story they want to tell. Because this is all fiction and subject to the writers' whims.

That just means you're talking about secret option number 3 - the (full or partial) reboot - instead of talking about sequels or prequels. And because its all fiction that can apply equally in all directions. Ie, they can just as easily say the 32nd cen. setting is now permanently Star Trek and all the earlier shows are no longer in continuity.

There's really no point trying to factor (partial) reboots into a discussion about prequels and sequels in the abstract because without any specificity there are far too many permutations to deal with. Only when the writers have actually exercised their whims do you even have enough information to really know what you're talking about.
 
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That just means you're talking about secret option number 3 - the (full or partial) reboot - instead of talking about sequels or prequels. And because its all fiction that can apply equally in all directions. Ie, they can just as easily say the 32nd cen. setting is now permanently Star Trek and all the earlier shows are no longer in continuity.

There's really no point trying to factor (partial) reboots into a discussion about prequels and sequels in the abstract because without any specificty there are far too many permutations to deal with. Only when the writers have actually exercised their whims do you even have enough information to really know what you're talking about.

When JJ Abrams made his movie in 2009, he effectively was in charge of Star Trek, and he could have very easily said that his film erased the previous continuity. But he elected to come up with reasoning as to why it didn't. So there's no reason why a future showrunner couldn't simply declare previous works to no longer be canon if it gets in the way of the story they're trying to tell. That's all I'm saying.
 
When JJ Abrams made his movie in 2009, he effectively was in charge of Star Trek, and he could have very easily said that his film erased the previous continuity. But he elected to come up with reasoning as to why it didn't. So there's no reason why a future showrunner couldn't simply declare previous works to no longer be canon if it gets in the way of the story they're trying to tell. That's all I'm saying.

And what I'm saying is, they could do a whole lot more than just that if they wanted to.

Obviously, if they ever did write DSC out of existence for their ongoing continuity then it wouldn't make sense to refer to anything made during that time as a sequel or a prequel to DSC. But the same goes if they ever wrote TOS out of existence or anything else. And things could get extra murky if they chose to write out parts of these things and keep other parts.

None of this is likely to happen anytime soon if ever and there's no possible way to even have a conversation about what it would mean without first seeing what specific choices the writers actually made in the newly (semi) rebooted continuity. So it's really not relevant to the far simpler discussion of what is or isn't a prequel or a sequel within the universe we already have.
 
And what I'm saying is, they could do a whole lot more than just that if they wanted to.

Obviously, if they ever did write DSC out of existence for their ongoing continuity then it wouldn't make sense to refer to anything made during that time as a sequel or a prequel to DSC. But the same goes if they ever wrote TOS out of existence or anything else. And things could get extra murky if they chose to write out parts of these things and keep other parts.

None of this is likely to happen anytime soon if ever and there's no possible way to even have a conversation about what it would mean without first seeing what specific choices the writers actually made in the newly (semi) rebooted continuity. So it's really not relevant to the far simpler discussion of what is or isn't a prequel or a sequel within the universe we already have.

I feel like recent Trek productions have gone out of their way to essentially ignore DSC pre-season 3. It appears that Kurtzman's idea to make everything 'classified' up to that point was more than just an in-universe idea. So it's not out of the realm of possibility to me that in the future, someone might just make the decision to ignore the Burn or at best make it a different continuity.
 
And how he dealt with it, yes. Children of the Comet was about a planet's future changing and Pike wondering if his could, and the finale was all about him accepting that the future would be worse if he didn't get crippled.

Sorry, I must have missed where each episode had a callback like this. Would you care to list them all?
 
Sorry, I must have missed where each episode had a callback like this. Would you care to list them all?
In addition to the ones already mentioned above, the sixth episode of S1, the one about the children being sacrificed to a volcano includes some vague allusions to Pike's fate. And though it's actually from the second season, there's a hint about it in the Lower Decks crossover.
 
Meant as a joke about if DSC takes place in a different continuity.
In what way? All that moment implies is that DSC Klingons also exist in other realities but in no way does that preclude them from existing in the main continuity.
 
Obviously everyone who actually knows what's what knows that. Unfortunately, the YouTube blowhards looking for any and every excuse to discredit Disco aren't in that group.
Gotta grift hard for that clickmoney. I can't wait for AI YouTube grifters to rage about AI generated Star Trek episodes and real people to fall for it all.

Simpsons is already there.
 
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I hope this movie becomes real and is so good that it is so successful that Star Trek will return to 'cinema' and we will move on to the next Star Trek movie era every year or two.
 
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