Background appearances, nothing frontal, if I remember.
Star Trek: Generations at 30
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Again, that's a background thing, appearing just for five seconds as a choice for Lal doesn't count as appearing.
Otherwise, one of the greatest TNG episodes ever.
Otherwise, one of the greatest TNG episodes ever.
Your definition of background is rather dubious, considering the actress wearing the costume and makeup is up front and center in this shot that lasts for more than five seconds in the episode. One might even say that she's foreground.
You also said "nothing frontal," so you're wrong on both counts.
Yet interestingly enough the film was noted to death from above with a laundry list from studio execs.
BTW, I'm yet another fan whose first Star Trek film in a theater was GEN. Xennials / elder millennials must be overrepresented here as a demographic cluster.
Generations is a pretty weird movie and reaction in that it's not all hate it but also really not even love it or hate it, it's just hate it or think It's OK-but-should-have-been-better, also the writers are openly critical of it even though they then remained with the franchise for years (one growing very critical of the other who stayed even longer).
Really not surprising that even most appreciation is mild when it had to, and did, include, satisfy a bunch of studio demands, appreciation has probably grown *a little* as more people realize that and admit it's hard to make a good crossover generally, let alone also meet other studio demands.
Really not surprising that even most appreciation is mild when it had to, and did, include, satisfy a bunch of studio demands, appreciation has probably grown *a little* as more people realize that and admit it's hard to make a good crossover generally, let alone also meet other studio demands.
It’s right there in the screencap. Denial is a helluva drug.
Split hairs all you want, she may be in the foreground but she wasn't even a character in-universe, just a model for Lal to choose from.
When I say 'Andorians didn't appear in TNG' I mean as something like a guest character (like Shran on ENT) or given more background as a species, even though in Trek canon they are founding members.
There were more Andorians in the TOS movies as living breathing background characters.
you really can't tell the difference between a background character / skin thats on screen for moments vs a living, speaking, actual role with a character arc? something in the background, vs something front and center? Seems like you are being extra literal on purpose.
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If you need "extra context" on every single post then you have a very poor grasp of basic language.
Back to the thread's point:
Kirk meeting Picard, one a living legend and the other on the way to become one, should have been a grander point.
Rather than the Nexus being what we got it should have been a point in time and space that brought the Enterprise-B to the future, or sent the Enterprise-D back to the past.
Something happens and the two crews gotta work together to end something big from ripping away space time itself.
In the end they both part ways, ENT-D destroyed whilst returning to the future, hilarity ensures and Kirk wonders why a Frenchman has an English accent.
Fin.
Kirk meeting Picard, one a living legend and the other on the way to become one, should have been a grander point.
Rather than the Nexus being what we got it should have been a point in time and space that brought the Enterprise-B to the future, or sent the Enterprise-D back to the past.
Something happens and the two crews gotta work together to end something big from ripping away space time itself.
In the end they both part ways, ENT-D destroyed whilst returning to the future, hilarity ensures and Kirk wonders why a Frenchman has an English accent.
Fin.
They should have saved the entire concept for the movie.So Yesterday's Enterprise again?
At least then the re-used stage direction that Carson stole from himself (Geordi in engineering) would have been more understandable.
I have two personal re-imaginings.
One of them is pulling a Back to the Future II - when the "A" is pulled to the future, Kirk isn't there to save the Federation President and prevent the war. TNG crew in monster maroons helping Kirk and company save the events of Star Trek VI and stop the war from ever starting.
My other version would be when Picard goes into the Nexus, Kirk comes out onto the "D" - pulls rank to take command, uses his dated knowledge to pull off something awesome in defeating the Bird of Prey, interacts with the TNG crew, gives Data a logic puzzle, butts head with Riker, before ultimately teaming up to rescue Picard, who is a lot more firmly entrenched in his lost-family fantasy and doesn't want to leave. Kirk gives a speech, my time is over, but yours is just beginning, goes back in, ends the movie walking onto HIS bridge in the nexus, last words you here, Captain on the Bridge! or Mr. Spock, status report? or something like that.
Generations made me hate TNG for literal decades.
Perhaps you didn’t read what was written. Said member stated that Andorians were never used in TNG. We pointed out that he was incorrect. He then proceeded to move goalposts because he apparently can’t admit when he’s wrong. If you’re going to be part of the conversation, have all the facts.
Okay, fine, you're right. Andorians and Tellarites were featured aliens throughout TNG, DS9, and VGR, and there was absolutely no increased focused on those TOS-originated aliens in ENT compared to the prior fifteen years. Everyone knows "The Offspring" is one of the great Andorian-spotlight episodes of the franchise, and "unnamed inexplicably orange holographic mannequin" is truly the most iconic Andorian character in the franchise.
I mean, that has to be the case, otherwise you're ignoring the point of the original comment (that Roddenberry wanted to downplay, if not disregard, TOS when he was in charge of TNG) to nitpick for the sake of picking nits.
I’m just going by what was said, and the massive goalpost-moving that followed. The fact that two people who didn’t even make the comment are showing this much blowback to it amuses me to no end.
Star Trek Generations is a pretty good Trek movie. I definitely liked it and I rewatch it a lot. Not only are there some funny lines there are also very strong lines like Rikers "Fire." Also the Enterprise B is a beautiful ship, my second favorite Enterprise class behind the E. While the ship fight is a little mid, it still was pretty good. Picard and Kirk do well together.
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