Star Trek: Generations at 30
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I've seen recent interviews where Hanks indicated that if it was ever talked about it never made it as far as him hearing about it.
That might be the original reason (although I'm a teen skeptical), but in the context of the story it's actually motivated by the environment. Especially in the rooms that have big windows to the outside. And it signals the change of character of the first star that Soran blows up. Everyone can SEE it.
Nope. Wesley is terrific.
IIRC that was a joke that was simply pointing out that Bragga thought the name "Zephram Cochrane" was ridiculous. There was never any consideration of giving Picard a same sex love interest.
Opinions clearly vary.
Generations was the first Trek movie I saw in the theaters, so it holds a special place in my heart. I'd become a Trekkie in late 1991 around the 25th anniversary, but at only three years old, I would've been far too young to see The Undiscovered Country theatrically.
I love the film's cinematography from John Alonzo. I love the updated look and feel of the Enterprise-D sets. The Generations Bridge is my hands-down favorite iteration, as I've probably gone into several other times before. Stellar Cartography is a gorgeous design. I love the TNG cast still feels like themselves (before it became the Patrick and Brent Action Show in subsequent films).
The later uses of Kirk are middling, and the whole Antonia of it all makes absolutely no sense (other than it being a rights issue thing maybe?), the off-screen killing of Rene and Robert is rather cruel, and they really should've been the ones in Picard's Nexus fantasy, but I'm able to get past those deficiencies. I don't hesitate to call Generations my favorite of the TNG movies.
I love the film's cinematography from John Alonzo. I love the updated look and feel of the Enterprise-D sets. The Generations Bridge is my hands-down favorite iteration, as I've probably gone into several other times before. Stellar Cartography is a gorgeous design. I love the TNG cast still feels like themselves (before it became the Patrick and Brent Action Show in subsequent films).
The later uses of Kirk are middling, and the whole Antonia of it all makes absolutely no sense (other than it being a rights issue thing maybe?), the off-screen killing of Rene and Robert is rather cruel, and they really should've been the ones in Picard's Nexus fantasy, but I'm able to get past those deficiencies. I don't hesitate to call Generations my favorite of the TNG movies.
Stellar cartography blew me away when this movie came out. That bit of FX was incredible.
Definitely one aspect of the film that is tough to swallow is how not only do they die but burn to death. That's absurdly cruel of the writers.
Wesley is ok. I wouldn’t say he was ‘miscast.’ More that he just hasn’t yet become the guy we’re familiar with. Cromwell’s Cochrane, on the other hand, was just a retcon. As far as miscasting goes, I think Benedict Cumberbatch, as good as he is, was completely miscast for
Look, Braga thought Cochrane could be Picard's love interest in the film. Moore had to politely tell him that wouldn't work. That's the level of knowledge we're dealing with here.
What? Is this true? I’ve never heard this before!
Reality itself followed Trek very closely, first with the Wall in Mandalorian then with the Globe in Las Vegas.
Both could be used as stellar cartography room.
Yes. That weird detail -- Braga thought about Cochrane as Picard's love interest, not realizing Cochrane was a man -- was in an interview Braga did with Sci-Fi Universe magazine in '96. The man admitted it himself!
Oh, I didn't count any casting choices from the JJverse. That realm has been expunged from my head canon.
I think you mean the Sphere.
And yes, both would be pretty cool used for stellar cart. fx.
Yes. That weird detail -- Braga thought about Cochrane as Picard's love interest, not realizing Cochrane was a man -- was in an interview Braga did with Sci-Fi Universe magazine in '96. The man admitted it himself!
Well, Braga never watched TOS before creating ENT, so I can see that.
OK, it's been nearly 30 years since I read this quote so someone can find the more precise telling, but if I'm remembering it right he said "Zephram Chochrane. To me that sounds like Picard's gay lover." Pause. "I don't like the original series very much."Yes. That weird detail -- Braga thought about Cochrane as Picard's love interest, not realizing Cochrane was a man -- was in an interview Braga did with Sci-Fi Universe magazine in '96. The man admitted it himself!
You might not like Braga, you might think he makes bad choices, or is a bad writer, but he's not ignorant. He did see TOS. He just didn't know it / love it like Moore did. When they were making FC I cannot imagine where he "mistakenly thought that a legacy character from the 60's was a woman".
Happy Anniversary Generations. I remember seeing this film with my father and brother at the theater. I have an appreciation for it, even though I do find Data annoying.
Except he did. He said in the interview that he had to be told Cochrane was a man. He wore his ignorance of TOS on his sleeve.
I'm with @Tallguy, Braga definitely realized Zefram Cochrane was a dude's name (plus, you know... the dirty joke of it doesn't make sense as a woman's name). Someone used to have it (or a paraphrase) as their signature here, I must've read it a thousand times. I found one person on Reddit who claimed to have written it verbatim, which I kind of trust because of the difference from the common retelling that makes more sense in context but worse as a pithy quote:
"When we were going to do 'First Contact' and somebody told me that the name of the guy who invented warp drive was 'Zefram Cochrane,' I thought, 'What, is that the name of Kirk's gay lover or something?' You can tell that I don't really like TOS that much."
Tom Hanks actually denied that when he was on Kelly Ripa's show, and was genuinely surprised when she pointed out that it was mentioned on his IMDB page.
I saw the end of this again fairly recently and was pleased to find I still got caught up in it. Watching the Enterprise plow into the dirt still hurt. I still cried when Data found Spot. It has its flaws, but it's definitely (re)watchable and enjoyable.
Yes, you heard right. Berman also was told by Roddenberry not to watch TOS but Berman already did and had a basic idea about Star Trek.
Roddenberry also didn't want any of the classic TOS aliens to show up in TNG, that's why Andorians and Tellarites didnt show up until ENT!
Yes, you heard right. Berman also was told by Roddenberry not to watch TOS but Berman already did and had a basic idea about Star Trek.
Roddenberry also didn't want any of the classic TOS aliens to show up in TNG, that's why Andorians and Tellarites didnt show up until ENT!
There were some Andorians in TNG.
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