S1 vs. S2 vs. S3 (comparing seasons)

[Finn]

I see lots of things on here I do not like. I scroll on. Try it.

You didn’t seem to like Hotrod’s response given your angry emoji. Why didn’t you scroll on then?

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Then why do you want people to spoil it for you? It makes no sense.

Asking a question is not the same thing as going to Wikipedia or Memory Alpha and having the entire episode spoiled. You know that.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

You didn’t seem to like Hotrod’s response given your angry emoji. Why didn’t you scroll on then?

Why does me leaving an angry emoji bother you?

 

[BillJ]

Why does me leaving an angry emoji bother you?

Maybe you should practice what you preach, and not respond to comments you deem unworthy. Like that would ever happen...

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Maybe you should practice what you preach, and not respond to comments you deem unworthy. Like that would ever happen...

Maybe you shouldn't bully and harass people.

 

[BillJ]

Maybe you shouldn't bully and harass people.

If you feel you have been harassed and/or bullied, please take it to a moderator. That is why they exist.

 

[BillJ]

If you feel you have been harassed and/or bullied, please take it to a moderator. That is why they exist.

Why the angry face? I fully believe in our moderating crew, they do good work for no pay. I am telling you the best course of action if you are feeling bullied or harassed, is to flag a moderator.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe you shouldn't bully and harass people.

Bill's a lot of things but not a bully. He is blunt and honest. There's no reason to take it personally.

 

[HotRod]

But I'll steal your lunch money.

 

[BillJ]

"The Drumhead" (S4), since when are courtroom dramas "dark?"

I would say you might want to watch what caused it to go to a courtroom to begin with. Then I would point you to the methods used to get to the truth and the tearing down of an individual who did nothing wrong, other than wanting to serve their country. How easily a decent person, Worf, was deceived.

WORF: Am I bothering you, Captain?
PICARD: No. Please, Mister Worf. Come in.
WORF: It is over. Admiral Henry has called an end to any more hearings on this matter.
PICARD: That's good.
WORF: Admiral Satie has left the Enterprise.
PICARD: We think we've come so far. The torture of heretics, the burning of witches, it's all ancient history. Then, before you can blink an eye, it suddenly threatens to start all over again.
WORF: I believed her. I helped her. I did not see what she was.
PICARD: Mister Worf, villains who wear twirl their moustaches are easy to spot. Those who clothe themselves in good deeds are well camouflaged.
WORF: I think after yesterday, people will not be as ready to trust her.
PICARD: Maybe. But she, or someone like her, will always be with us, waiting for the right climate in which to flourish, spreading fear in the name of righteousness. Vigilance, Mister Worf, that is the price we have to continually pay.

Not sure why I'm bothering.

An Excellent Resource for Trek Transcripts.

 

[fireproof78]

The Drumhead" (S4), since when are courtroom dramas "dark?"

It might be helpful to define "dark" from your perspective.

The Drumhead is quite dark because up until that point Starfleet had been portrayed as fairly above board. But, this was a full on witch hunt that was reminiscent of the excesses of McCarthy and his committee on unAmerican Activities. It's dark because it shows utopia is no longer perfect as Picard has often described the Federation.

 

[BillJ]

It might be helpful to define "dark" from your perspective.

Maybe he means Picard dark. Episodes where they ran out of money for light bulbs.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

It might be helpful to define "dark" from your perspective.

The Drumhead is quite dark because up until that point Starfleet had been portrayed as fairly above board. But, this was a full on witch hunt that was reminiscent of the excesses of McCarthy and his committee on unAmerican Activities. It's dark because it shows utopia is no longer perfect as Picard has often described the Federation.

I would call this realistic and dramatic. Earth might be utopia-like, but space is not.

 

[Finn]

It was a bit dark in that courtroom. A newbie might have mistaken it for a scene on the Titan-A.

 

[Firebird]

I would call this realistic and dramatic. Earth might be utopia-like, but space is not.

And there it is, the bad-faith argument where the goalposts continually move.

 

[BillJ]

I would call this realistic and dramatic. Earth might be utopia-like, but space is not.

You didn't answer the question of what you think "dark" is. Hard to have a discussion, if you aren't offering us a framework to work with.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

And there it is, the bad-faith argument where the goalposts continually move.

What are you on about?

 

[HotRod]

And there it is, the bad-faith argument where the goalposts continually move.

You're so gonna get an angry face.

 

[fireproof78]

I would call this realistic and dramatic. Earth might be utopia-like, but space is not.

But that's not how the Federation had been presented up until that point. Context is key and also for kings.

Dark is not just a matter of subjective taste but also what had been presented in the show up until that point.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

But that's not how the Federation had been presented up until that point.

No, it hasn't. War with the Romulans led to the Federation, war with the Klingons in the 23rd century, the Enterprise-C had been destroyed by the Romulans, there'd been a war with the Cardassians, conflict with the Q and the Borg, the Federation is not a utopia, there is continuous conflict that continuously needs to be addressed.

Dark is not just a matter of subjective taste but also what had been presented in the show up until that point.

When I assess an episode as being dark, I'm addressing the episode, not the series.