When did Romulans time travel back to the 21st century?
Was Sela pointless?
- Thread starter AntonyF
- Start date
- Status
When did Romulans time travel back to the 21st century?
alt-nu-Kirk and La'an meet one in 2022 or so, when it is shown that Khan is now a child in the 2020s, and not a grown man in the 90s. They state they have been trying to alter the timeline. There is a BoP in a UFO pic. lol.
What is this from?
What is this from?
Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow (episode)
La'an travels back in time to twenty-first-century Earth to prevent an attack which will alter Humanity's future history – and bring her face to face with her own contentious legacy. "Security officer's log, stardate 1581.2. Nobody told me when I took this assignment just how many friends it...
memory-alpha.fandom.com
OH! This is from SNW? I haven't started this one yet.Tomorrow and Tomorrow and Tomorrow (episode)
La'an travels back in time to twenty-first-century Earth to prevent an attack which will alter Humanity's future history – and bring her face to face with her own contentious legacy. "Security officer's log, stardate 1581.2. Nobody told me when I took this assignment just how many friends it...
sincere apologies for the spoilers.
You didn't spoil anything, you're fine. I don't care about "TV spoilers" so long as someone doesn't blurt out a death scene.
I think you guys saying how it was Crosby that came up with the idea probably underlines why it fell flat ultimately.
This wasn't a narrative-driven decision. They thought "Oh yeah that sounds kind of cool" and maybe some affection to the actress, so they did it. But then when they did it, the scratch was itched and they had nowhere to go with it.
This wasn't a narrative-driven decision. They thought "Oh yeah that sounds kind of cool" and maybe some affection to the actress, so they did it. But then when they did it, the scratch was itched and they had nowhere to go with it.
What's that from again? I'm drawing a blank
I'm not so sure. She's definitely got a major chip on her shoulder over damaging Federation interests, and why shouldn't she? Her mother was sent back in time, by Picard, to defend a Starfleet ship, allied with Klingons, & thereby undermine Romulan interests.
She knows who Picard is well before all this, and 2 of her 3 schemes were to undermine the Klingon/Federation alliance. (Lursa & B'Etor outright tell Picard their rise to power would have that outcome, & Geordi was brainwashed by Romulans to assassinate a Klingon ambassador)
No doubt, in her mind, Picard is a villainous adversary. Picard even HAS the only Starfleet Klingon on his ship! & he was abiter over the whole high council mess. As coincidental as that all was, it's very conspicuous optics, from the outside. To her mind & anyone she influences, Picard must likely be the linchpin to the whole Federation/Klingon alliance. Two Klingon ships even show up to back him in the Neutral Zone, during the Jarok Defection situation. Rest assured, Picard's dealings with Klingons would look very suspicious to Romulans.
Even the Reunification scheme was ultimately about weakening the Federation union. Even if it didn't mean getting Vulcan out of the UFP, it meant embroiling them in some kind of internal conflict (once they were on the ground there) They might even have hoped Starfleet would feel obligated to opt out of it, for prime directive reasons, because Vulcans & Romulans are related. (I doubt they would though)
It's not all that dissimilar to the Klingon civil war, in a sense. It was the only avenue left to her for such a ploy, ever since she got bested on the Duras thing.
I actually liked Tasha Yar. Great character.
I was sad to see her leave.
Are they messing up SNW with changes in the timeline now?
I've been planning to watch SNW but if they start messing with established Trek history in the same way as they did with ENT, DSC, PIC and the NuTrek movies, then I'm not interested.
Fortunately, this is Star Trek. There are way more possibilities to bring a (dead) character back than in your regular show. She can come from another timeline. She may be a clone - genetic or transporter. A facsimile created by some alien race, or an android. And then there still are the more regular options e.g. she might be a twin we never knew the existence of (evil, or otherwise).
Agreed on all 3 points. I always loved it when Crosby came back as Yar or Sella and found it hilarious that it always boiled down to "because time travel."
Think about it.Tasha's return in "Yesterday's Enterprise in an alternate timeline, because time travel.
Sela's mom is from the future of a defunct timeline (Sela's POV).
Tasha returns a 2nd time in "All Good Things..." because time travel.
I agree that the comments are fun.Agreed on all 3 points. I always loved it when Crosby came back as Yar or Sella and found it hilarious that it always boiled down to "because time travel."
Tasha's return in "Yesterday's Enterprise in an alternate timeline, because time travel.
Sela's mom is from the future of a defunct timeline (Sela's POV).
Tasha returns a 2nd time in "All Good Things..." because time travel.
But I must state that I find stories based on time travel and alternative universes confusing sometimes. They often mess up things.
In that case I wish that it would have been a way to bring the real Tasha back.
Fortunately it is so.
So far I've managed to bring back Kes, restore Garak and bring back Gowron, using plausible explanations for that.
A little more difficult with Tasha Yar and Jadzia Dax.
Was Natasha Yar any "less real" in "Yesterday's Enterprise" than her S1 counterpart? I'd argue that regardless of timeline, alternate Yar is just as areal as the one we knew. In the TNG finale, Natasha Yar is very much the one we knew.
Kes did get to come back in "Fury."
Isn't Garak alive and well as of the DS9 finale?
Why bring back Gowron? We gotta move on with Martok as Chancellor.
Jadzia Dax: DS9 S7 really missed the mark by not bringing Jadzia (and Terry Farrell) back as a ghost of sorts through the Dax symbiont.
What kind of Kes came back in thst episode? Not the one we knew, that's for sure. (One may say the has been consumed by the Dark Side, if we use SW terms).
As for Garak, I think Lynx means something from the books.
Also, he doesn't like the way Gowron went off.
As for Jadzia, at least there's that ritual from Season 3 episode "Facets"...
The Tasha Yar we saw in Yesterday's Enterprise was a Tasha from an alternate timeline. Not the Tasha from the first season.
And the Tasha we see in the end episode is also another Tasha.
As for Kes, I simply refuse to see the disgusting creature which showed up in that season six episode of Voyager, the worst ever episode in any TV series ever made, as the real Kes.
The monster was simply Suspiria in disguise or an evil entity from another universe.
Garak was still alive and well in the DS9 finale but some book author whose books I once used to like totally destroyed the character in one of her later creations.
As for Gowron, I actually like Martok but he's too friendly with Starfleet and the Federation to be a good Klingon Chancellor.
Gowron is much better and have more personality than any other possible Klingon leaders.
Downright stupidity to waste such a character.As for Jadzia, I wish they hadn't killed her off. She could have been transferred to the Enterprise and maybe showed up in some season 7 episode. Ezri could have been her sister or some other relative.
As for my opinions in those cases, I do stand up for my favorites.
Here they are, four aces and a joker!
Exactly!
The answer to this question seems to be entirely dependent on personal opinion.
In my opinion, no. They haven't changed anything anymore than any of the pervious series.
As for Kes, I simply refuse to see the disgusting creature which showed up in that season six episode of Voyager, the worst ever episode in any TV series ever made, as the real Kes.
The monster was simply Suspiria in disguise or an evil entity from another universe.
You're welcome to believe that, but that's not who she was. It was the same Kes as she always was, only older and bitter.
- Status
Similar threads
