A tug is designed to tow a broken starship which itself is designed for warp. Can we say the same about Spacedock? Can warp tugs tow a Spacedock that is not designed for warp speeds?
Starship Museums: why?
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It I doubt it was assembled as one piece, so there would be sections you could take off.
And fails to do so. Even full phasers couldn't split it, and the Enterprise was crippled in the process.
Only the deflector beam left by the Preservers had the power to do it.
1 It happened therefore it is part of continuity. The frequency is irrelevant. 60s continuity is just as important as any other.
2 No, families on board was presented as something new with the Galaxy Class. Later they added families to other classes. Deep space exploration by the Federation was conducted by members of Starfleet on starships without families on board
3 No where is a time frame given for transporting Spacedock. Definitely not being "zapped" from one point to another. Not sure how it being movable makes it "cheap CGI."
4 Where is it stated that they don't have warp drive or are not relocatable? Even if they aren't warp capable, where is it said they can't be moved by other warp capable ships using force fields, tractor beams and warp bubbles? Where does it say Spacedock can't be broken down to it's components and transported to a different location?
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True, but its clear they thought they could
Well it got where it is somehow. Clearly they have the ability to move it. Structural integrity fields have been shown to have the ability to be extended from one ship to another. There's nothing to say that couldn't be applied to a station, or a station broken down to its modular sections.
Actually, it's clear they thought they could deflect it slightly and then after missing their window, they hoped they could. They couldn't tow it, it was too large, they could merely deflect it.
On an average day with plenty of time, they could alter its trajectory slightly to miss a planet, but they really couldn't drag that thing somewhere. The point was whether or not it could be towed at warp. They demonstrated that this wasn't possible.
Sure but as I said this is a PR move, to put the death and destruction of the Dominion War behind them. No matter what one might think of the need for such a ship the clear disgust towards the war posturing makes it reasonable to retire the Defiant and move back towards exploration type ships, like the Constitution III class.
Perception is important here.
In the real world, homes have been moved from one country to another brick-by-brick. An AI query informs me that the original London Bridge is now over the Colorado River.
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Indeed, there are a hundred and seven years between the last time we see Spacedock at Earth and when it appears as the Fleet Museum. More than enough time to disassemble and reassemble it, or reinforce it with some kind of scaffolding or bracing for towing, and to move it to another star system, even at low warp speed. Even at impulse power! The whole operation could've taken years, or decades.
Yes. That's exactly what I said.
Starfleet is, when necessary, the service that fills the role of the UFP military.
They do not consider themselves to be a military service by nature, and begrudgingly fill the role when it needs to be filled. This probably waxes and wanes a bit by era... movie era Starfleet was more comfortable just calling itself the military.
The quote mostly works if Morrow is speaking in terms of the refit Enterprise as a new ship. We don't know exactly when TMP takes place, but STIII is 2385. Since Morrow is a human, I don't expect him to always speak in super specific exact terms.. if the refit happened 17 years ago, "20 years old" is a reasonable round up.
TMP is 2272.
I thought it was 2273? TOS is 2266-69, TAS is 2270, 2 1/2 years later would be 2373, no?
If Starfleet "fills the role when necessary," then it just IS the UFP military. At this point, it's semantics, Starfleet in denial of being a proper military, and/or the writers being inconsistent.
I would define Starfleet as the space-military for Earth and the Federation, but with an emphasis on peacekeeping and exploration, not offense.
Regarding the age of the Enterprise, I feel like it's easier to just call it a goof and leave it at that. In-universe, the ship is 40 years old, in real life, Star Trek was about 20 years old. Easy mistake. It's also possible the writer of ST3-TSFS just didn't know about TAS and Pike.
You make some good points, but it was obvious that many of the ships that were going to be at that museum were going to be past hero ships. The thing that annoyed me were the other ships that had little to no nostalgia value. The USS Saratoga refit into another USS Saratoga? Two Akiras when we already saw one on active duty? A Saber? A STO TOS ship that we've never seen before? A Nebula class? Many of these choices didn't make much sense to me.
It could have made sense if the idea was to have "one ship from each class," there could be some sense and logic to this... if they'd done that. Then seeing something like the Defiant-A which isn't even 30 years old would make sense.
If you can rig a starship to be towed at warp, and use warp bubbles to move space stations (SEE: "Emissary"), then why can't one tow Spacedock?
That also works under the idea that Spacedock was built in Earth orbit and not moved from another location (like Utopia Planetia).
And, we did see the Enterprise partially move a moon with tractor beams in "Deja Q".
That also works under the idea that Spacedock was built in Earth orbit and not moved from another location (like Utopia Planetia).
And, we did see the Enterprise partially move a moon with tractor beams in "Deja Q".
#1 Starships are designed with warp travel in mind, so warp tugs are reasonable.
#2 DS9 moved via thrusters in "Emissary," not warp drive.
#3 Yes, Spacedock was built in Earth orbit and likely took decades.
#4 I checked "Deja Q." They were trying to warp the moon (a solid object) from decaying orbit to stable orbit. Not quite the same thing as a city-size space station that can rip apart, trying to warp it to another solar system.
Yeah. Still not seeing an issue with moving Spacedock.
I'm approaching this from the POV of view of it being real, me living in the late 24th century, and real-world physics and limitations also applying to Star Trek world except for when fancy alienism and futurism creeps in. If technology can do whatever the plot says because the plot says so, then it ceases to be sci-fi and becomes space fantasy like Star Wars.
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