What makes you think I was talking about SNW? That was just my opinion. I was referring to what Gene was trying to do with TMP and TNG.
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Is this a faithful prequel to TOS?
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What makes you think I was talking about SNW? That was just my opinion. I was referring to what Gene was trying to do with TMP and TNG.
i didn't say it wasn't canon. i said its a rewritten timeline, which the shows have made clear with the temporal cold war, with the SNW khan episode, and with the BLATANTLY CHANGED VISUALS. SNW is a different iteration of the timeline then the one we saw in TOS. They can not be reconciled in the same narrative, but the later narrative exists because of the earlier one causing the timeline rewrite. Although, I would accept in-universe entertainment as an excuse just as equally.
TOS had some crazy stuff in it, yes - crazy stuff is not the problem; crazy stuff that doesn't fit the narrative or time period is the problem.
Well, the musical... is just a problem.
Narrative? Time period?
What doesn't fit the narrative?
It's not history. They're allowed to up date the visuals.
The musical is an anomaly of the week story. Space thingy makes the crew do odd things. They science the thingy and solve it. How is that a problem?
It isn't.
Updated visual aesthetic.
Sure they can.
Fits just fine.
Was great.
I'd argue the TOS prequel issue has gone beyond just cosmetic contradictions now. We now have a full fledged La'an/Kirk "might have been" relationship complete with angst and pining that just would not have happened in the original 1990s Eugenics Wars timeline. The characters are altered in a substantial emotional way in this timeline that couldn't have happened in the original TOS timeline because La'an never time-traveled to fall for Kirk in the original timeline.
This your first "timeline that no longer exists" timeline? What are you on about? That Kirk and timeline is gone. La'an met up the Prime Kirk and things were sorted. He's in a committed relationship with his pregnant, girlfriend, Carol. Total set up for TWOK. I don't think the La'an/Kirk relationship will be revisited. Kirk has not been "altered in a substantial emotional way". He has no clue about the other timeline. La'an is the only person in the Prime timeline with memories of the alt-timeline .
To give SNW credit, it's had at least two stories all about how it has to be a faithful prequel, so it's not just acknowledging its responsibility, it's using it for story fuel. It's not the first Trek prequel to have trouble crossing this Minefield without a few timeline contradictions, and Enterprise mostly worked out in the end, so maybe SNW will be able to make the appropriate course corrections to get the crew where they need to be. It's got time.
so birth years and entire histories just change WITHOUT the timeline being changed? the shows have been very clear that 1. there was a temporal cold war 2. the NX was not supposed to have survived 3. khan's birth year has changed from the 60s to the 2000s.
you say tomato, i say tomato.
sure, if you forget what everything looked like, how everyone acted, the technology level they had access to, the things that were cutting edge, etc
Was great.
was one of the worst things i've ever seen, and actively turned off a non-fan that happened to be around and saw the Klingons singing like a boy band.... a NON FAN was like, nope, those aren't Klingons, Klingons dont' sing.....
no, its NOT the original timeilne; khan is alive as a child in the 2020s, it is BLATANTLY ~*not*~ Prime Kirk.
Seeing Mount's Pike in the Cage uniform gives me hope that they have a tidy little surplus of those costumes hanging about the place...maybe a few "lasers".
Yeah, but you're not allowed to say its a different timeline, for some reason.
It's like if Yesterday's Enterprise ended with the Enterprise-C remaining in that war-torn future. It's obviously a new continuity created by a temporal anomaly that is different to the way it was before.
Khan having his birthdate changed, without anyone changing it back, is practically identical. And it's not like the episode wanted us to accept that it was always that way either.
It's so messy, but we're being asked to be ignorant.
If Strange New Worlds tried a Trials and Tribble-ations with a different TOS episode and pulled it off, that would be absolutely incredible.
The real question is, do they comment on the differences, or pretend that it looks exactly the same to them?
The DS9 episode made a point out of commenting on the differences.
They should point out the differences and let the viewers decide what that means.
Enterprise season 1 and that particular episode of snw has both gone out of their way to point out that things are happening differently now. It explains and gives you a reason for everything we have to complain about. Why people are so dead set against the concept baffles me when it is baked into the narrative.
So it would be a jump forward in time to the TOS era, as if its part of the same continuity? I was thinking a homage with a retro-60's intro and lots of eye-liner. Maybe a few sets.
I feel a 38-page argument thread is in our future otherwise.
With Enterprise, I felt like the inevitable result of the temporal incursions only really resulted in TOS(R), since the DVD release followed after the final season of the show. It felt like a neat coincidence, at the time.
I suppose they don't want to confirm anything for fear of losing fans? I really don't know.
I was really hoping for a Short Treks like this back when they were a thing.
I do recall James Cawley saying Paramount enquired about filming on his Official Set Tour but nothing ever came of it. I'm guessing the last scene of the last episode will be on that TOS bridge. After bringing back the Enterprise-D they won't be able to help themselves.
Someone's clearly been reading EAS.
The musical dared to be fun. As you know, fun has no place in Star Trek.
Pretty damn obvious a non-fan said that since singing Klingons have been featured multiple times on both DS9 and Voyager. DS9 even canonized a Klingon song originally written for the Star Trek Klingon PC game.
The timeline has been altered, sure. But the timeline has been altered literally 100's of times across almost 60 years of time travel episodes.
I will never understand this need to "fictionalize" fiction further. It's all already fiction, and it was never 100% internally consistent. So I don't see any point to declare any part of Trek to be "fiction based on somebody's log/diary/daydreams" or whatever.
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