They're not.
Spoilers Agatha All Along discussion and spoilers.
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But they seem to be under her control when she lives her fantasies
No, they are not. Agatha just perceives them differently.
Yes, exactly. They were going to find the Witches' Road, so I wondered if the fake car was something she rigged as part of a spell to get to the Road. Car, Road, it seemed logical at the time. Then she left the fake car behind and they went in the real car, so I discarded that hypothesis, but I was too busy watching to think back to the fake car and figure out what it actually was instead.
Except #1 happened two years ago (since they seem to be assuming the intervals correspond to real time, hence three years since Wandavision) and #2 and #3 happened this week. Agatha started having the detective-drama delusion three weeks ago. The question is not how she broke the spell. The question is why the spell would have arbitrarily changed three weeks ago from just living an everyday life as Agnes to hallucinating being a TV detective. What I'm saying is that if she's been hallucinating detective dramas the whole three years and Agnes of Westview is simply the most recent one, then the spell hasn't changed, which is more straightforward.
That's absolutely how I interpret that, too.
Yes, I thought it was self-evident.
Well, so far I’d have to say that this is the most immediately engaging and accessible Marvel tv show since the original Wandavision (with perhaps Hawkeye giving it a run for its money). The cast and writers are clearly having a lot of fun and, fortunately, so are the audience (at least, this particular audience member is, anyway).
I thought that the show was decent so far. Its a bit cringe at times, but Agatha is an entertaining/interesting character so she really holds the show up for me. I'm also curious to see whats up with The Teen's backstory and why Agatha can't hear anything he says about his name or backstory (my first thought is that he's the MCU version of Nick Scratch but for some reason doesn't know his connection to Agatha, but thats just an initial theory).
What about Black Heart then, the son of Mephisto?
Yeah, if Rio is Blackheart, then it's a case of gender swapping. Not that I have any problem with that. And, contrary to what has been said here in this thread, I can't find any evidence that the name "Rio Vidal" has ever been connected to Blackheart in the comics. It does seem to be an invention of the show as far as I can see. I am very happily willing to be proven wrong on this point.
Also, remember that Kevin Feige has said that all Marvel movies take place somewhere in the Marvel Multiverse. Therefore, if Rio is Blackheart, then she's a variant of this guy...
Blackheart (Ghost Rider Films)
Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned... I've sinned a lot...Blackheart's sacrilegious gloating.Your Penance Stare doesn't work on me. I have no soul to burn.Blackheart to Ghost Rider. My name is Legion! For we are... many!Blackheart upon becoming Legion. Blackheart is the main antagonist of the...
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Added to clarify-- I keep saying "if" Rio is Blackheart, but that is my theory as well. Just don't want to jump the gun on the story as so many did with Mephisto in WandaVision.
My first thought was that it looked like an anagram, but I can't figure out of what. Validior? Dirlovia? Avoid Ril?
Yeah, if Rio is Blackheart, then it's a case of gender swapping. Not that I have any problem with that. And, contrary to what has been said here in this thread, I can't find any evidence that the name "Rio Vidal" has ever been connected to Blackheart in the comics. It does seem to be an invention of the show as far as I can see. I am very happily willing to be proven wrong on this point.
Also, remember that Kevin Feige has said that all Marvel movies take place somewhere in the Marvel Multiverse. Therefore, if Rio is Blackheart, then she's a variant of this guy...
Blackheart (Ghost Rider Films)
Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned... I've sinned a lot...Blackheart's sacrilegious gloating.Your Penance Stare doesn't work on me. I have no soul to burn.Blackheart to Ghost Rider. My name is Legion! For we are... many!Blackheart upon becoming Legion. Blackheart is the main antagonist of the...
Added to clarify-- I keep saying "if" Rio is Blackheart, but that is my theory as well. Just don't want to jump the gun on the story as so many did with Mephisto in WandaVision.
Green Witch.
Marvel Just Introduced the Green Witch to the MCU
Aubrey Plaza's Rio Vadal is ready to walk the Witches' Road in Agatha All Along.
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Emerald Warlock.
Dian (Earth-616)
5 appearance(s) of Dian (Earth-616) 1 minor appearance(s) of Dian (Earth-616) 1 mention(s) of Dian (Earth-616) 3 image(s) of Dian (Earth-616) 2 quotation(s) by or about Dian (Earth-616) 3 victim(s) killed by Dian (Earth-616)
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Maybe she's just the MCU version of Aubrey Plaza and she's got witch powers.
It just struck me -- "Rio Vidal" is Spanish for "River of Life." Does that spark any ideas?
Well I do think we in end going to find out Agatha wants power in order to bring her son back to life and pull him out of Hell or wherever he is. It's all about her reuniting with Nicholas Scratch. I also think we will see Wanda brought back to life. Maybe not see it as in the actor will show up but it will be implied. Wanda is to good of a character to keep dead. Plus I hear talks about a future Wanda movie.
I know it could be wrong, but the two "black heart" references in the first episode are still making me think she's Blackheart, there's just to much significance in the comics for them to just put that phrase in there without a reason.
They did already call him Nicholas Scratch when Agatha was in her fantasy, so I don't know that was them subtlely telling us who he is, or if that means he isn't him because they wouldn't want to give it away this early. Right now I'm leaning towards the second option, but I wouldn't totally rule out the first.
What about Wonder Man?
Nathan Fillion was cast a year ago, if they don't actually use him at some point, it's possible that he might get lost.
I'm assuming there's a Flashback showing somehow that Simon was used to make Visions Personality despite everything we had seen during the Rise of Ultron that may contradict this new narrative.
But if she tries to Summon Viz, she could accidentally foul hook Simon.
Ps
It's all fake.
Everyone she needs is within walking distance?
Pull the other one.
They are all manipulating Agatha, but they are a witch short, if it's all a trap to make Agatha lead them down the road?
Nathan Fillion was cast a year ago, if they don't actually use him at some point, it's possible that he might get lost.
I'm assuming there's a Flashback showing somehow that Simon was used to make Visions Personality despite everything we had seen during the Rise of Ultron that may contradict this new narrative.
But if she tries to Summon Viz, she could accidentally foul hook Simon.
Ps
It's all fake.
Everyone she needs is within walking distance?
Pull the other one.
They are all manipulating Agatha, but they are a witch short, if it's all a trap to make Agatha lead them down the road?