The MCU says "hi".We're just lucky Drumpf didn't get name-checked in TNG's The Neutral Zone, the way DSC prematurely slobbered over Elon.
Poll Is age a factor in which season you prefer?
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You know, Tony Stark sold deadly arms all around the globe and was still less than a quarter the asshole Elon is.
Who cares?
Seriously? We have to make the politic jokes because...
Seriously? We have to make the politic jokes because...
What the hell is that supposed to prove? Harberts and Berg were fired for being abusive to their staff, so it's not scandalous at all they're having trouble finding work, while Disco just ended a few months ago, meaning it's not shocking whatsoever Michelle Paradise doesn't have another show already lined up. Indeed, even Matalas who you just gushed about being The Greatest had to wait a year after Picard ended before being invited to Marvel's table so trying to imply Michelle Paradise is a failure for not having another show a mere three months after Disco ended is quite the double standard.
I'm voting for Kamala Harris, just like I voted for the Democratic candidate my entire adult life.
What are we even talking about now?
What are we even talking about now?
I was critical of S01 when it aired. A year and a half later on a rewatch I found a great deal to love.
S03 I enjoyed as it aired. A year later on a rewatch I found it interminable.
This may flip-flop back and forth again and again over the course of my life. Opinions shift.
S03 I enjoyed as it aired. A year later on a rewatch I found it interminable.
This may flip-flop back and forth again and again over the course of my life. Opinions shift.
Lag time between jobs for Hollywood producers.
I tend to go deeply analytical on EVERYTHING. In case people hadn't noticed.
So my opinions tend not to change on a whim. The only way it changes is if I gained some sort of insight I didn't have before.
That's not just with PIC. It's with anything. It takes a lot to shift my opinion on things. It can shift -- and has -- but something would've had to have persuaded me.
In 2003 or 2005 or 2000-anything (meaning the decade), I never would've been interested in another TNG Movie after NEM. Never! No way. I only really liked one TNG Movie out of four. PIC S1, and to a lesser extent S2, finally made me open to the idea. As an example.
And yes, the fact that PIC S3 undid the shittiness of GEN and NEM is something I'll always be grateful for. I had an issue with the TNG Movies a lot longer than anything from New Trek existed. So, the only thing I'm comparing PIC to is TNG and its movies.
I'm a huge DSC Fan and always will be. So nothing I think of PIC has anything to do with that. Like I've said before, it's possible to be a fan of both. Just like it's possible to like all three seasons of PIC.
So my opinions tend not to change on a whim. The only way it changes is if I gained some sort of insight I didn't have before.
That's not just with PIC. It's with anything. It takes a lot to shift my opinion on things. It can shift -- and has -- but something would've had to have persuaded me.
In 2003 or 2005 or 2000-anything (meaning the decade), I never would've been interested in another TNG Movie after NEM. Never! No way. I only really liked one TNG Movie out of four. PIC S1, and to a lesser extent S2, finally made me open to the idea. As an example.
And yes, the fact that PIC S3 undid the shittiness of GEN and NEM is something I'll always be grateful for. I had an issue with the TNG Movies a lot longer than anything from New Trek existed. So, the only thing I'm comparing PIC to is TNG and its movies.
I'm a huge DSC Fan and always will be. So nothing I think of PIC has anything to do with that. Like I've said before, it's possible to be a fan of both. Just like it's possible to like all three seasons of PIC.
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I don't know whether it's at all pertinent, but for me, I guess, S1 had already made up for the deficits of NEM. I'm not really sure what S3 added to the mix; perhaps you could be more specific? If it's specifically about Data, I kind of liked his resolution in S1 and it kind of bothered me that S3 undid that...but then, I never got into PIC to see more Brent Spiner.
Exactly what I was planning to do. Just got home from work. Let me address some of the common complaints about PIC Season 3, then I'll get to that.
"Picard said there would be no more Picards in GEN and now he has child in PIC." I think Picard wanted to have children secretly, but felt it was incompatible with his life as a Starship Captain. Robert having Rene took the burden of responsibility off of him for continuing the family line. When Robert and Rene both died, he felt like that was the end of the Picard line. But he didn't really want it to be so. That's why he pursued Anij in Insurrection. That's why he constantly tried on-and-off again with Beverly. It was important to him, whether he said so or not. That's why when he found out that he did indeed have a son with Beverly and she kept him away, it crushed him. He wanted to continue the family and he was denied knowing that he had a son. He wanted Beverly to be in his life, whether or not she was a lover or a friend, then she disappears for 20 years. He was hurt. Understandably so. That's not "low calorie". Quite the opposite.
"You can't always have the ending you want." I don't believe in that mentality and I never have. As long as you have the means to accomplish what you want and the will, you can have any ending you want. Where there's a will, there's a way. If you want something badly enough, you'll find a way to make it happen. You don't give up and accept a bad hand, you work at it until get what you want. You work at it until you achieve. You don't just wallow and whither away and accept mediocrity or worse. I feel bad for people who give up on their dreams. I never have and I never will. That's not who I am.
So when Geordi, who feels guilt about losing the Enterprise-D, is determined to rebuild it, it's something I can understand. In Season 2 of TNG, Pulaski offered him the opportunity for Ocular Implants. He didn't go through with it. If he had, maybe the Enterprise-D wouldn't have been destroyed when Soran used his VISOR against him. Geordi felt that guilt. He carried it with him. It's not a coincidence that in First Contact, the first movie after Generations, he no longer has the VISOR. He finally has the Ocular Implants. And it took him 20 years to rebuild the Enterprise-D. It wasn't some overnight thing. It was a passion project. He rebuilt something that he felt was his fault they lost. Even if it wasn't his fault, he could've easily felt like it was. Once again, not "low calorie."
"Riker and Troi going back to Starfleet." Riker and Troi living on that planet. I think they were in mourning. They chose a life in space. Space is where they always wanted to be. If you join Starfleet, you're going into space. That's Starfleet life. Settling down on a planet is something they did for Thaddius. They were depressed and in mourning after he died. They'll always feel like a part of them was lost. But, like Picard in Season, they can't stay in a funk forever. Going back in Starfleet, getting back into space, is them returning to their lives pre-tragedy. It's them not moving on but getting on and going back to what they wanted to do before.
"Data's resurrection." I think Data's "death" in Season 1 was basically assisted suicide. I've said this before. "Help me to end my existence!" is suicide in my point-of-view. I knew someone who committed suicide. It was tragic. I recorded events with families whose lives were affected by family members who committed suicide. PIC S1 Data could've had his mind transferred into a new body. He could've had his mind stay in that container. He wouldn't have been immortal because machines break down. Bodies break down. If the software wasn't transferred, it would've eventually been lost when everything became unworkable. So he could've looked forward to death. Voluntarily ending your existence and asking someone to help you with it is something I do not approve of. PIC S3 Data being revived, except in a human-ish body where he's old means that he's alive, his life is finite, and his life will end naturally, without having to ask someone to pull the plug on him. No one's going to change my view on this particular point, so I'd prefer that if we disagree to just agree to disagree.
You don't necessarily have to agree with any of what I said, just know and understand that I have my reasons for liking PIC Season 3 that don't have to do with cliques, don't have to do with nostalgia, and don't have anything to do with any nonsense that goes on in the Internet. They're my own, honest, thought-out reasons based on my own personal views and my own personal outlook on life. Things like that are not the types of things that change on a whim.
Data's "death" in PIC S1 and Dahj's black boyfriend getting killed in the second-ever scene of the entire series are the two reasons why I place PIC S1 slightly below PIC S3. Black Lives Matter is something I feel pretty strongly about. I was out on the street, holding a Black Lives Matter sign at protests in 2020. I was an activist. That and a black friend of mine was beaten senseless by the cops for literally nothing, and it was caught on a cellphone, so that only added even more fuel to my fire. If you saw what I saw, that would've angered you too. Like I said, the two seasons are very close in my mind, so those are the two things that broke the tie.
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Anyway, now I have a DS9 Re-Watch to get back to. I just wanted to clear things up. I didn't want to leave the thread with the way things were the other day.
Even if we don't all agree on things, I think it's important we all get along. I can respect someone without agreeing with them, and I like it to go both ways. I don't like "my side vs. your side". Maybe it might not look like it sometimes, but I don't. Sometimes we might frustrate each other, but we should never let it get out-of-hand.
I don't think I'm blameless in this. Had I known the way things would go, I wouldn't have brought up that poll from the past. I wanted to contrast how things are now to how they were in December, but I didn't want things to spiral the way they did. I didn't expect things to go quite as far as they have. That's on me.
Even if we don't all agree on things, I think it's important we all get along. I can respect someone without agreeing with them, and I like it to go both ways. I don't like "my side vs. your side". Maybe it might not look like it sometimes, but I don't. Sometimes we might frustrate each other, but we should never let it get out-of-hand.
I don't think I'm blameless in this. Had I known the way things would go, I wouldn't have brought up that poll from the past. I wanted to contrast how things are now to how they were in December, but I didn't want things to spiral the way they did. I didn't expect things to go quite as far as they have. That's on me.
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Wow. Really?Yeah, and that saucer...
I think the Shangri-La class and the Titan-A both have some good angles. Mostly the ones that hide how hacked-up that saucer is.
I didn't need Generations or Nemesis "undone". I'd actually say that both are far better than anything Picard hacked up.
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As far as Shaw goes, he just shows how uninteresting the TNG gang actually are.
GEN definitely was to a large extent, even as hackneyed as that film's plot could get and the enjoyment I derived from Seasons 1 and 3.
Uh huh. I guess I’m done here.
Because people have a different opinion on the saucer?
Bill Krause (@AdmiralBuck here) has taken a lot of heat over the Titan-A design for being too 23rd century-looking in a 25th century-based show, among other things, despite the fact that's apparently what the showrunners wanted. He's a decent guy, and an insanely talented model builder (interacted with him a lot back in the old ResinIlluminati days and marveled over the progress photos on his original Shangri-La build) and I sometimes think the ire directed at him from the fandom can be a bit over-the-top, as it often is in general with pretty much anything new and/or different in the franchise.
Sean Tourangeau experienced similar backlash for the preceding Luna-class Titan for being too much of an Akira clone, when it really wasn't.
It's okay to provide constructive criticism to express one's opinions, but vomiting emojis generally don't convey "constructive" to most folks.
All IMO, of course... Just sayin'...
Sean Tourangeau experienced similar backlash for the preceding Luna-class Titan for being too much of an Akira clone, when it really wasn't.
It's okay to provide constructive criticism to express one's opinions, but vomiting emojis generally don't convey "constructive" to most folks.
All IMO, of course... Just sayin'...
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