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Old Star Trek fans: don't you sometimes get happy just because there are new series?

You just described every Star Trek, though.

More of TNG which is similar to TOS but to many fans not as good.

More of Voyager which is similar to TNG but to many fans not as good.

More of Enterprise which is...

Do you see how tough a sell this is if only creating a show catered to an individual?
This, absolutely this.

Star Trek is always a variety pack to me. It isn't my only interest either, or defines my fandom or life. So, moving on for a bit to a new show or repeating an old favorite is fine. I stopped watching Voyager and Enterprise and thoroughly enjoyed Farscape, Invisible Man and Stargate.

That's ok.
 
You know what show was very modern but reminded me a lot of DS9? The Expanse. It was a fully fledged universe with a diversity of characters and some enriching storylines.

I want a Star Trek show that is like The Expanse but modernized. It all comes down to how it's written and how the characters are. So far not much in the new era has been as memorable and I would say the universe building has been bad.
 
The Expanse… The Boys… Foundation… Or my absolute favourite sci-fi show right now, For All Mankind.

If the restaurant stops selling the wings I want… fuck it. I’ll just go to a different restaurant and eat something else.

I don’t feel too passionate about any Trek produced within the last decade, excepting Star Trek: Beyond.

It doesn’t overly bother me. There are other shows. Rather than cry about how things aren’t like they were, I just find other things. It’s not like we live in an age where fantastic TV is scarce.

Fuck Star Trek and the horse it rode in on.
 
The Expanse… The Boys… Foundation… Or my absolute favourite sci-fi show right now, For All Mankind.

If the restaurant stops selling the wings I want… fuck it. I’ll just go to a different restaurant and eat something else.

I don’t feel too passionate about any Trek produced within the last decade, excepting Star Trek: Beyond.

It doesn’t overly bother me. There are other shows. Rather than cry about how things aren’t like they were, I just find other things. It’s not like we live in an age where fantastic TV is scarce.

Fuck Star Trek and the horse it rode in on.

I don't watch some of those, but my favorite show last year which is coming back this year was Silo. Also Severance is coming back later on and I'm more excited about that than I am with Trek right now. I want Trek to be of the quality of those shows and it's not entirely there yet.
 
The Expanse… The Boys… Foundation… Or my absolute favourite sci-fi show right now, For All Mankind.

If the restaurant stops selling the wings I want… fuck it. I’ll just go to a different restaurant and eat something else.

I don’t feel too passionate about any Trek produced within the last decade, excepting Star Trek: Beyond.

It doesn’t overly bother me. There are other shows. Rather than cry about how things aren’t like they were, I just find other things. It’s not like we live in an age where fantastic TV is scarce.

Fuck Star Trek and the horse it rode in on.
Mm, there I can’t go. Aside from The Boys, I don’t think most of those other excellent SFTV series would have happened without Star Trek paving the way. Granted that’s only an opinion, but that is how I see it.
 
I don't watch some of those, but my favorite show last year which is coming back this year was Silo. Also Severance is coming back later on and I'm more excited about that than I am with Trek right now. I want Trek to be of the quality of those shows and it's not entirely there yet.

I didn’t watch Silo. That’s kind of on my list.

Severance is a show. What a show. When that comes back, it’ll be appointment viewing.
 
Mm, there I can’t go. Aside from The Boys, I don’t think most of those other excellent SFTV series would have happened without Star Trek paving the way. Granted that’s only an opinion, but that is how I see it.

Star Trek paved the way, but these shows (At least the ones I've seen like Expanse and For All Mankind) has passed it by. Star Trek should be just as good, if not better than these other shows and continue to lead the way. It really isn't right now though.
 
Mm, there I can’t go. Aside from The Boys, I don’t think most of those other excellent SFTV series would have happened without Star Trek paving the way. Granted that’s only an opinion, but that is how I see it.

I’m struggling to find where in my post I said that Star Trek was not influential? I don’t think that’s what I was talking about at all?
 
Star Trek paved the way, but these shows (At least the ones I've seen like Expanse and For All Mankind) has passed it by. Star Trek should be just as good, if not better than these other shows and continue to lead the way. It really isn't right now though.
Why should it be, though?

I feel like there is this "Trek on a pedestal" because it paved the way in the past, so it's current output must be the same as the past.

For me, well Stargate did Star Trek better than Star Trek did for a while, so this idea if it not being in the lead is not a new one. Maybe it's a new idea to other fans? I don't know.

I just know that Trek isn't a leader for me, hasn't been in a while, and is still one of my favorite things to watch, if I'm watching anything at all, which is more rare.
 
Because I'm a fan and want to see it succeed?
I mean, I'm a fan too...and I want it to succeed.

I don't think that means lead by default though.

I don't know. I'm an odd duck with my entertainment. To me, it should first be entertaining and enjoyable. I don't care if it is groundbreaking, or record breaking or what not. To me, it's first rule should be entertaining.
 
I mean, I'm a fan too...and I want it to succeed.

I don't think that means lead by default though.

I don't know. I'm an odd duck with my entertainment. To me, it should first be entertaining and enjoyable. I don't care if it is groundbreaking, or record breaking or what not. To me, it's first rule should be entertaining.

I honestly think this comes down to a difference of preference. I want all the things that you want, but I think that could lead to it being influential again. I've already answered the question the thread asked, but I guess it really comes down to I want to be excited for Star Trek again in a way that I was before. Maybe it will never get there, but if it does, I'll be happy. I enjoy the new series, but the only series that has really brought that exciting feel for me as been Prodigy. I would love to see it with the live action shows as well.
 
I don’t care if Star Trek is the top of the tree, but as a fan I’d at least like to be enjoying it as much as other shows I like.

For All Mankind (just for one) juggles a huge amount of characters and manages to develop them all. There’s a clear creative vision running though it from Season 1-4 (5 is in production) and one season builds upon the next. It uses its ten episode season structure effectively and builds a world I can believe in.

Then I look at fucking PIC.

I don’t see why Star Trek can’t be doing that too… I wish it was doing it for me, but it’s just not. I’m a long standing Star Trek fan, and I want to at least feel the franchise is punching its weight. It isn’t for me right now. It’s just a bunch of random stuff, of incredibly varying quality.
 
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I honestly think this comes down to a difference of preference. I want all the things that you want, but I think that could lead to it being influential again. I've already answered the question the thread asked, but I guess it really comes down to I want to be excited for Star Trek again in a way that I was before. Maybe it will never get there, but if it does, I'll be happy. I enjoy the new series, but the only series that has really brought that exciting feel for me as been Prodigy. I would love to see it with the live action shows as well.
I guess I don't expect it to do that. When I was younger, it was more exciting but now it's more enjoyment.

I don't want that feeling before; I've had it with friends and it's a let down. I'd rather go in to it, enjoy it and if it goes further than just my enjoyment then more power to it.

My life is too crazy to get all amped up over entertainment series. Sorry, it just is. Easy going is my preference.
 
SNW is my preference out of all the new Trek shows. Not all recent Trek is really my cup of tea, but I'm glad for those who do enjoy it.

And I have an infinite supply of my absolute favorite "wings" in the form of blu-rays.

Kor
 
You know what show was very modern but reminded me a lot of DS9? The Expanse. It was a fully fledged universe with a diversity of characters and some enriching storylines.

I want a Star Trek show that is like The Expanse but modernized. It all comes down to how it's written and how the characters are. So far not much in the new era has been as memorable and I would say the universe building has been bad.
One of my issues with Star Trek post 2009 has been how much it feels like everything kind of "winks at the camera" and sometimes doesn't feel like it takes Star Trek seriously at all. It rests on tracing over the past, changing it some, pointing at it and saying "remember this and doesn't it look cooler with the new CGI" and thinking that's innovative in showing hidden depths to old characters and subjects.

This is part of the reason that, while I like Strange New Worlds and think there are great episodes and actors in there, I don't see it as a "flagship" series that advances Star Trek as a franchise. It's a prequel/re-imagining of old characters within a time period where they're locked into certain things having to happen ... if they insist this is the Prime Timeline and there's continuity.

And this is part of the reason I always shake my head when people get heated about all of this having to fit together in a single continuity. I don't think it would have hurt Discovery or Strange New Worlds at all to have been disconnected from the Prime Timeline. I honestly believe it would have helped these shows to be their own thing.

I mean DC fans can accept 5 different Batmans and Jokers, Marvel fans can live with a (Fox) X-Men universe, the MCU, and the (Sony) Spider-Man universe, but Star Trek fandom can't go along with a new iteration of Star Trek that's a total reboot which has no connection to previous continuity? I mean imagine a Strange New Worlds where it was more of an open question as to whether Pike ends up in the wheelchair with the blinking light? Or whether Spock and Chapel might actually really become a couple during the TOS era? It would open up possibilities and allow the writers to go in ANY direction they wanted with the material.

I've thought about this before. I would love a show that would do something like a Black Hawk Down version of the Klingons. What if you crossed Klingon warrior culture with a more realistic looking version of warfare and tried to actually game out what it would mean for an imperial society based in conflict that was continually at war over its history? What kind of people do you end up? What emotional scars do they carry? What collateral damage results from it?

I think modern Star Trek tends to worry more about whether the sets and visuals look believable rather than treating the issues and characters in their stories in believable ways.

One of my biggest issues with Discovery is how superficial some of the stories would feel by the end of the season. And I would argue how superficial it was in the world-building bled into how superficial people felt the emotionality of the characters were. The final season of the show spends 10 episodes getting to the MacGuffin, only to spend 5 minutes discussing the realities of what it would mean and whether they should chuck it into a black hole.
 
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