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Spoilers Canon, Continuity, and Pike's Accident
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I think it is quite typical for high-fantasy settings to remain stagnant in a more or less medievalish state for millennia, Lord of the Rings for instance. Regardless of whether you can count SW as actual high fantasy, it does take place in a separated fairy-tale realm without any connection to the real world.
Sci-fi can and often does have that of course. Star Trek has the ban on genetic augmentation, in Dune they have got no advanced computers, but there are specific reasons for that, and one would rather expect explanations from a sci-fi setting since something akin to high fantasy, even if it includes sci-fi elements like SW, does not show a fictional future of Earth or another civilisation within "our" universe where the audiance takes technological progression for granted.
The PT has at least more sophisticated screens and headsets.
That too I guess.
On the other hand, most pieces of technology between the High Republic and the Sequel-Trilogy era appear fairly unchanged.
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Unless someone can correct me, I can't actually remember why the advanced systems on the Enterprise started to malfunction in DIS S2. I presumed it to be a side effect of Control, akin to Skynet in Terminator 3 and the disruptive effects on electronic devices, but that doesn't seem to be confirmed. (Or was it?)
Whatever the cause, there does seem to be a modest effort to maintain a minimalist philosophy when designing sets for the SNW Enterprise. I would personally surmise that deep exploration requires starship tech that is reliable and durable, even if it does look a little clunky in comparison.
They do tend to evoke a Middle-Ages type setting which is part of the appeal. Game of Thrones especially likes to draw influence from historical sources for costuming and sets. Star Wars, with its Science Fiction (and yes it is Science Fiction) setting is a different beast. Though like some of its influences (Foundation and Dune) it too draws on the Classical, Medieval and Renaissance eras for inspiration. The PT has look that invokes elegance, opulence and finery in opposition to the OT's clean and sterile look for the Empire and a more rough-hewed look for those under the Empire's heel.
How and if technological advancement is shown is an authorial choice to aid in the story being told.
It was just the holographic comms that were the problem. So Pike had them removed.
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Many SF series have "signature" tech.
Trek, as you mentioned has it's phasers, warp drive and transporters.
Star Wars has it's lightsabers, the Force and big honking planet killers
Foundation has PsychoHistory. (And I guess robots)
Dune has its "trans humans": Gholas, Mentats and Navigators
Doctor Who the TARDIS and the Sonic.
There is no explanation provided onscreen. The matter is addressed in the Disco novel The Enterprise War.
I prefer the term Speculative Fiction and it works better for my pedantic side.
Yeah, I get that.
But my library was so small that the "Science Fiction" section included everything from horror, to fantasy, to Sherlock Holmes. At a certain point I just got so aggravated by it. My uncle, who introduced me to science fiction originally with Robert Heinlein gave me this much better terminology.
Always will remember my first science fiction book.
My first proper one was "A Journey To The Centre of the Earth"
I read those later. Still have a 3 volume Verne set.
Want to argue with Lucas about it?
I effing do want to argue with Darth Lucas about it. I would like someone to present me with the most famous "actual" science fiction that does not have the same issues that supposedly disbar Star Wars. Because there is nothing that is so fantastical in Star Wars that doesn't hit Star Trek right between the pointy ears. Sound in space? How many movies or TV shows have "realistically" not had sound in space? 2001 and Firefly. What else? (NOT 2010 IIRC.)
Dune and Foundation are the one two punch of the Great Granparents of Science Fiction. And they both hit on most of the same "fantasy" elements of Star Wars. (Not surprising since George helped himself to both of them generously. Then had the audacity to try and sue Battlestar Galactica for dipping into the same trough.)
That's just George not wanting people to bother him with details. When, in any of his movies, including the Prequels, has he really gone into fantasy? When did characters go into actual magic? Why did Han, Leia, and Chewie bother to have breathing masks in The Empire Strikes Back? His dogfighting snub fighters are no less silly than The Enemy Below IN SPACE of Balance of Terror or swashbuckling galleons going toe to toe in The Wrath of Khan. Good grief, in the prequels he came up with MIDI-CHLORIANS (there is a hyphen???) to make the Force MORE scientifically grounded, not less!
George also says (with a very straight face) that he wrote all nine parts of Star Wars as one giant screenplay and then broke them into pieces. He's like the ultimate unreliable narrator.
Star Wars may not be the most rigorous or serious science fiction out there. But neither is Star Trek.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure people thought they were writing what we would recognize as science fiction before the fifties. Including Edgar Rice Burroughs.
Ordered mine from the Scholastic Book Club in grade school. Probably because I saw the movie with Pat Boone. (Yeah that's a thing)
Hell YES that's a thing. With James Mason and music by Bernard Herrmann. I got to stay up to 2 o'clock in the morning to watch it on the late show in 4th grade because I had already read the book. My Jules Verne gateway drug was the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea ride at Disney World.
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Because it's not actually about the technology. It isn't an exploration of the change of life due to technology, it's not about some new invention. It's about prophecy, fate, a magical force that impacts minds and controls people's actions to a degree.
I don't think it is disbarred but I won't put it in science fiction to the same degree as Star Trek, which would occasionally focus on the tech, or Dune with was far more emphatic on the ecology and psychology of the world.
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Only at pretty girls and people he's about to eviscerate.
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