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[Ray Hardgrit]

It's pretty clear at this point that some people have an emotional reaction to blatant inconsistencies in iconic designs that severely harms their ability to be invested in the drama and other people do not. So the obvious solution is to just get everything right! Then everyone's happy.

Except for the people who want to sell new toy designs I guess.

 

[fireproof78]

So the obvious solution is to just get everything right! Then everyone's happy.

Perfectionism is the key to happiness! Everyone knows that. No flaws, and nothing less than absolutely right.

Except for the people who want to sell new toy designs I guess.

Who is selling those right now?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Perfectionism is the key to happiness! Everyone knows that. No flaws, and nothing less than absolutely right.

You're definitely selling me on the idea.

Who is selling those right now?

Polar Lights I guess!

 

[fireproof78]

You're definitely selling me on the idea.

I would not encourage it. Being expected to be perfect is exhausting.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That's ok. I don't like Scotty.

 

[MikHutch]

Fun fact: tWoK was my introduction to Star Trek, so when I first watched TOS years later in the mid-2000s, I didn't recognize Scotty

 

[fireproof78]

Fun fact: tWoK was my introduction to Star Trek, so when I first watched TOS years later in the mid-2000s, I didn't recognize Scotty

Additional random fact: as a youngster I had the Original Series Mego figures. I didn't recgnize Scotty and made him a security chief, Lieutenant Marseille.

 

[urbandk]

Additional random fact: as a youngster I had the Original Series Mego figures. I didn't recgnize Scotty and made him a security chief, Lieutenant Marseille.

Ah, the Auld Alliance

 

[F. King Daniel]

Fun fact: tWoK was my introduction to Star Trek, so when I first watched TOS years later in the mid-2000s, I didn't recognize Scotty

As a kid, I was sure Scotty had been recast for the movies and Riker for TNG season 2

 

[MikHutch]

i'm glad I'm not the only one who made this mistake!

 

[The Wormhole]

As a kid, I was sure Scotty had been recast for the movies and Riker for TNG season 2

I remember being introduced to TNG when I was a kid watching the syndicated reruns, starting around season 3 or so. The first time I saw a first season episode I immediately asked "who is that guy and where is Riker?"

 

[James Cole]

The only acceptable answer seems to be "it's a TV show, nerd", which is extraordinarily odd given the nature of the forum... If there was any place that I thought we could talk about the details of Star Trek it would be on TrekBBS but... i'm not so sure.

Some people here just refuse to engage in good faith with the argument that Star Trek from 1966-2005 by and large maintained continuity with itself. Not 100% (and more loosely within TOS), but more than well enough that lore and continuity developed to the point that comprehensive reference books could be produced. EAS quantitatively demonstrates that NuTrek has far more contradictions than classic Trek.

Instead, the bad faith snark card is played. This BBS also represents a NuTrek survivorship bias, so it's much easier for the shut up nerd, TOS and SNW fit perfectly well together crowd to gang up thanks to shear numbers.

Going forward, this is likely to be the single greatest dividing line among the fanbase. Snarkally dismissing it won't make it go away.

 

[The Wormhole]

EAS quantitatively demonstrates that NuTrek has far more contradictions than classic Trek.

The only thing EAS quantitively demonstrates is how high strung Bernd is. Indeed, twenty years ago he had just as much complaints about Classic Trek (which was then Current Trek) as he now does about Nu Trek.

 

[Tuskin38]

The only thing EAS quantitively demonstrates is how high strung Bernd is. Indeed, twenty years ago he had just as much complaints about Classic Trek (which was then Current Trek) as he now does about Nu Trek.

I mean you just have to look at the average scores for all his reviews, they're mostly around 5/10.

TOS: 4.68
TNG: 5.23
DS9: 5.21
VOY: 5.32
ENT: 4.56
Prime Movies: 6.40
Kelvin Movies: 4.67
DSC: 3.80 (does not include S5 since it isn't finished)
PIC: 5.33
SNW: 4.55
TAS: 3.64
LDS: 5.38
PRO: 5.24

 

[cooleddie74]

VOY better than TOS? Now I know he's insane.

 

[The Wormhole]

IIRC, Bernd began watching Trek with TNG, and as such never developed the nostalgia for TOS he feels "permeates the fandom."

 

[evilchumlee]

IIRC, Bernd began watching Trek with TNG, and as such never developed the nostalgia for TOS he feels "permeates the fandom."

Which is fair. People will have their own personal favorites.

I began watching Trek right at the very end of TNG, with VOY actually being the first one I got to watch from beginning to end as it aired.

I didn't actually see TOS until several years after that. I *DO* have a sort of nostalgia for TOS in that I absolutely venerate it as being the genesis of the thing I love, and I actually have grown to love the styling of it. I wasn't there for when it was new, but I appreciate it for what it is, and I truly dislike that new stuff is changing it.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Who?

 

[fireproof78]

The only thing EAS quantitively demonstrates is how high strung Bernd is. Indeed, twenty years ago he had just as much complaints about Classic Trek (which was then Current Trek) as he now does about Nu Trek.

Again, it comes down to "What are you looking for in Star Trek?" People do not like to see it taken apart, but I think if the same standard was applied from newer Trek to past Trek, less Trek than we would like would pass muster.

I say this an a TOS fan through and through, that the reason I think that SNW and TOS hang together well enough is because I am willing to not treat it as strict history in the most literal sense. I think Bernd is far more bound by the strict literalist view, that TOS has to happen in such a way, and then that leads in to TNG and DS9.

Which is fine, and if one is that bound by those continuity details then go for it. That's not what made Trek Trek for me.

 

[Tuskin38]

Star Trek is not a period piece, despite Berman thinking otherwise.