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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x08 - "Labyrinths"

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It’s like they refuse to give any other characters anything interesting throughout. Everything has to be about Burnham.
It's almost like she's the star of the show.
The Discovery crew is obviously from a time before they started upholding psychological standards. :rommie:
They never have. Every show has at lest one Starfleet member with problems.
I felt the librarian was miscast. She could have been a fun character but the actress’s southern Californian accent and mannerisms were just a little grating.
I got Kristen Chenoweth vibes from her. Nothing said SoCal about her.
That's part of the problem of Discovery, I can't name the senior staff/bridge crew without looking it up.
Is there a reason you should?
It's the Michael show in the way that TOS was never the Kirk show, or TNG the Picard show, Voyager the Janeway show, etc. She isn't a strong enough character to be the center of every story.
She's fine.
Discovery not being an ensemble show like every other Trek/major sci-fi show really hurt it.
TOS says "Hi"
 
The guy who replaced Rob Morrow on Northern Exposure wasn't as strong a lead as Morrow but he was still the main character. Leads don't have to be scenery-stealing masters of all they survey, just the locus around which the cast rotates. Burnham and Sonequa Martin-Green are good enough for what they're required to do.
 
It's almost like she's the star of the show.

There's a lot of talk about what is And is not "real" Trek, but I think most people would agree that Trek at least ought to be an ensemble show. Even TOS gave some meaty stories to Spock and McCoy.
 
There's a lot of talk about what is And is not "real" Trek, but I think most people would agree that Trek at least ought to be an ensemble show. Even TOS gave some meaty stories to Spock and McCoy.
Spock was the co-star. That was the show. That McCoy played well didn't make him as high up as Kirk or Spock.

Burnham and Sonequa Martin-Green are good enough for what they're required to do.
Exactly.

Moreover, Discovery has been Burnham as the lead since day one. Regardless of execution that is the show as presented. What it should or shouldn't be is mute now.
 
There's a lot of talk about what is And is not "real" Trek, but I think most people would agree that Trek at least ought to be an ensemble show. Even TOS gave some meaty stories to Spock and McCoy.
I like an ensemble show. SNW and DS9 are favorites. But TOS was not a ensemble show. It has a clear lead and a couple of co-stars. TNG tried to be an ensemble show but the writers clearly favored some characters over others.
 
I like an ensemble show. SNW and DS9 are favorites. But TOS was not a ensemble show. It has a clear lead and a couple of co-stars. TNG tried to be an ensemble show but the writers clearly favored some characters over others.
TOS had the famous triad. TNG had Picard and Data. All the shows had episodes for the other cast members.

Discovery is a Burnham show. Each actor still had episodes focused on them.

Much ado about nothing again.
 
When it comes to Burnham as a character, she is a very strong character. Right from the pilot episode, she's been depicted as a person with a lot of levels, and I would argue one of the most, if not the most developed lead character in Trek. It took the movies to go deeper into Kirk's interiority, and Picard got a few standout episodes in TNG, but I think his eponymous series is where they really attempt to explore him (for good or ill). I didn't look at enough of Voyager to really judge it, but with it being the Berman era, I'm guessing Janeway was perhaps about as developed as TNG Picard or Archer. In that she got her moments, but the development would be more surface level because the lead characters had to be more stolid (for lack of a better word).

People might not like the character, the writing, or the actress, but I do think the creators have put Burnham through trials that none of the other Trek leads have gone through. To begin as a mutineer who loses everything and to claw your way back to the captaincy a thousand years into the future. We've seen her win, we've seen her fail, we've seen her in love, we've seen her broken hearted, we've seen her grow close to Saru and Tilly, and now we are seeing her taking on an almost Prime Georgiou approach when it comes to her crew. This character has grown. Outside of Sisko, Burnham grew the most in the captain's chair than any of the Trek live-action series (on television, not factoring in the movies).

I don't like all the writing and some of the creative directions (including artistic) that Discovery has taken. I also have wanted them to develop the other characters more than they have, but for me that's nothing against Burnham. I'm a Berman era Trekkie that likes ensembles more and thought it would make the series even stronger and give the writers more to play with by developing the other characters more.
 
Yikes, well perhaps it's for the best then! Hopefully, you get some time for a breather soon! :)
Maybe in a couple of months.

But, I'm not one looking for the toppest tier. Star Trek is pretty middle of the road with some stand outs. The characters make it snd Discovery has that.

An entire episode in Burnham's subconscious. Rapture.

Visibly stunning, but waffly filler.
Mmmm...waffles.
 
Maybe in a couple of months.

But, I'm not one looking for the toppest tier. Star Trek is pretty middle of the road with some stand outs. The characters make it snd Discovery has that.
I can agree with that. But I always hope for the best!
 
Burnham and Sonequa Martin-Green are fine. Strong enough to be the main character and thankfully she's worked to cutdown on the whisper problem. I say that as someone who have criticized DIS for various thing but she does ok.
 
An entire episode in Burnham's subconscious. Rapture.

Visibly stunning, but waffly filler.
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It clearly isn't foolproof given how often we see problems occur. One would hope frequent assessments would occur as people move up in rank.
We see problems occur, after traumatic events.

The correct complaint about that, would be that Starfleet apparently doesn't require mandatory therapy for it's officers after traumatic events.
 
We see problems occur, after traumatic events.

The correct complaint about that, would be that Starfleet apparently doesn't require mandatory therapy for it's officers after traumatic events.
Yeah...

There it was 32 years after Wolf 359. Sisko had dealt with his problem. I'm assuming he had required therapy. Shaw was in command of a starship and a mess. I would say that they massively failed this guy.
 
We see problems occur, after traumatic events.

The correct complaint about that, would be that Starfleet apparently doesn't require mandatory therapy for it's officers after traumatic events.
Starfleet probably has the worst psychological standards I've seen, Academy on up.
Yeah...

There it was 32 years after Wolf 359. Sisko had dealt with his problem. I'm assuming he had required therapy. Shaw was in command of a starship and a mess. I would say that they massively failed this guy.
Definitely.

And Maxwell.

And Picard.

Yeah, it's a good list.
 
Starfleet probably has the worst psychological standards I've seen, Academy on up.

Definitely.

And Maxwell.

And Picard.

Yeah, it's a good list.
Picard dealt with his problems. He had several phases of recovery due to the unique problem in his brain associated with the Borg, mind you, probably much worse than Shaw. But it wasn't shown to rule him and he wasn't an asshole.
 
Picard dealt with his problems. He had several phases of recovery due to the unique problem in his brain associated with the Borg, mind you, probably much worse than Shaw. But it wasn't shown to rule him and he wasn't an asshole.
Don't get me wrong; Shaw needed some more help. But, Picard was shown still having dreams, to the point a whole ship was removed from action because of him.

That's not insignificant.
 
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