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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x07 - "Erigah"
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You're DAMN right.
I think the Sikarians were experts in their technology, and I'd question how useful Arturis really turned out to be beyond demonstrating that quantum slipstream was A Thing. Either way, didn't stop Voyager from trying to use the technology, even if the results were almost catastrophic.
Pretty quick, from what I remember.
I watched the entire series in the early-'00s but not since, so it's been a while.
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Quoting this again because @SJGardner has it right.
It's not like going from the 12th Century to the 21st Century. It's like going from the 5th Century to the 14th Century.
The 20th Century, which we're not too far removed from, wasn't a normal time. Things progressed much faster than was the norm in the rest of Human History. It was an anomaly.
"Necessity is the mother of invention," as the saying goes. Where there's no necessity, there's no invention. So, things stagnated somewhere between Picard and The Burn. Then there was a century-plus of the Dark Ages. And now they're coming out of it.
Discovery makes a difference because they were able to think outside of the Box. People who lived during The Burn had been stuck in The Box their entire lives. Sometimes you need an outside perspective and someone who doesn't give up. Starfleet of the 32nd Century didn't have an outside perspective until Discovery arrived, and they'd clearly had given up and cocooned themselves. They were in a funk and Discovery snapped them out of it.
EDITED TO ADD: It's not just a Discovery thing either. Other than being a time ship from the 29th Century, the Relativity on Voyager didn't seem that different from any other Starfleet ship we'd seen before. The uniforms were different, the layout was a little different, but it was all still recognizably Starfleet. The only difference of significance was the commonality and normalization of time-travel. Once time-travel was banned, that difference was eliminated.
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He needed to have everything explained and reexplained twice, so all the aliens got annoyed and pissy trying to teach him all the basic crap they took for granted, and concluded that John was from a race of morons.
Or at least that was a running gag through out season one.
But were very insular and fighting amongst themselves. Given that their ships are city-ships, we might extrapolate that there was a reason their civilization is living on ships instead of their home planet.
I don't think the Federation not using clone troopers is proof that they couldn't. We know from DS9 'A Man Alone' that career criminals have access to technology that can clone an individual in a matter of days. There's no reason the Federation wouldn't have access to it and be capable of utilising it if they so choose. What held the Federation back here was ethics. The value of sentient life or the potential for it was far more important than technological advancement.
I would argue that Federation values is why we don't see the Federation in the 32nd Century using Transphasic torpedoes or Omega torpedoes, because those things are just overkill. They don;t use slipstream or transwarp potentially because those methods of FTL are actually highly damaging to subspace, so they work at refining and fine tuning warp and making it faster. At least that is my head canon anyway.
The reality is from a writing perspective, there really is no difference between a Photon torpedo or Transphasic torpedo or between Warp and Slipstream. You can make a photon torpedo as strong as you want and you can make warp as fast as you want. These aspects vary based on the needs of the plot and it has always been this way. Warp 9 will take you 20 minutes to travel 10 light years, until the writers decide it doesn't.
Timeline contamination.
Is it possible that what we saw was a fake or a misdirect (The Dauntless didn't look a thing like Dauntless in Voy Hope & Faith, after Arturis dropped the perception filter.) so that children from the past didn't get any clues about what to expect from the future?
It took him a fair chunk of the first season. There were multiple scenes with him expressing disappointment at himself at how long it 'took him to figure out how to open the doors'.
He was able to get a handle on simple stuff like that after about half a dozen episodes or so, but he didn't really get the more tech driven stuff until much later in the first season.
(I always wondered if the subconscious wormhole knowledge the Ancients put in his head sort of helped him along with other stuff, because it's not long after that when he starts to really be able to handle Moya and her technology.)
UFP has generally have a preference for Biological Sentient & Sapient life, so that's why they wouldn't use clones.
Machines though are a different matter, we saw those A500 Androids they mass produced for the Utopia Planitia Ship Yards.
I'm sure they can mass produce a "Combat Version" that is at least on Data's level of intelligence if need be. Mayber one without a "Human Face" and more of a typical "Droid" look like the ones from Star Wars.
Maybe with less Sentience & Sapience than Data, but still mass produce them.
Especially moving forward past the 25th century.
You don't use Omega Particles because it can massively damage subspace. Ergo no Omega Torpedoes.
As for Transphasic, you save those as a "Ace Up Your Sleeve" when you need something to damage the Borg and they've adapted.
Nothing about SlipStream or Transwarp have shown to "Damage Subspace".
In fact, the 32nd Century has shown that there were tons of Transwarp Conduits everywhere and in massive use.
Ergo the massive amounts of wreckage in them post "The Burn".
But that's why we have established Warp Factor systems for the writers to work with and other advanced FTL.
Having a structured regimented & regulated set of In-Universe rules is what makes Star Trek great and consistent for many generations. Leave it to us Technical Trekkies to make sure everything works consistently and use what's established to get things working consistently within itself.
Even after the ban on AI was lifted, the fact that a synthetic workforce was easily hacked and caused such a disaster as the destruction of Mars likely made the Federation hesitant about relying on Synth soldiers.
The reason they were hacked was because it was a "Inside Job", when the head of StarFleet Security was a Zhat Vash / Tal Shiar agent along with her subordinate, you need to look inside instead of out.
The Synth disaster was 20 years earlier.
Are we sure that Oh had been in charge of Star fleet Security for that long?
If So, that means that she might have been in charge or close to the top during DS9.
Well, 14 years earlier. But yeah, it's possible she gained her position that early on and due to mimicking a Vulcan and convincingly (probably right down to fudging biometric readings in regular medical checkups) held onto it until she was forced to expose herself in 2399.
Considering how easy it has shown to be on multiple occasions to hack into them, I'm not surprised that Starfleet doesn't have more androids.
But enough about 80s Pop music.
I mean, Data single handily took over the Enterprise. Two holographic doctors were able to run the most high tech ship at the time, if badly. The trust for androids, and other AIs is not there.
The Synth disaster is ongoing. It never ends as long as online downloads exist.
Exactly.
And even when not taken over, Data still could cutoff systems if he wanted to. Like in "The Quality of Life", when he locked out the transporter so the exocomps couldn't be used to save Picard and Geordi.
I actually agree with Starfleet on not having AI run amok.
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