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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x07 - "Erigah"

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OTOH, it's a TV show. Some compression is needed.

Fair point, but at least have a captain's log or at least dialogue that mentions a very lengthy time has passed to get everyone up to speed.

And no, a few weeks while Discovery gets its refit is nowhere near enough time.
 
I'm actually a writer/editor by profession and have been for quite some time and I know a good story when I see it. This (season of Discovery) is not a good story. What I know about story telling, these people on the writing staff don't know, especially when it comes to science fiction in general and Trek in particular.
I look forward to your Star Trek stories and writing credits.
Waste of Plummer's talent. Even if some of the choices were hers.
It started out really fun. And ended slightly lesser than I would like.
 
I'm actually a writer/editor by profession and have been for quite some time and I know a good story when I see it. This (season of Discovery) is not a good story. What I know about story telling, these people on the writing staff don't know, especially when it comes to science fiction in general and Trek in particular.

And if I want to take the piss out on Trek's writers, i'm gonna do it. So you can just go pound sand for all I care, Miss Enlightened One.
Color me unimpressed.
Mister actually. "Nerys" is the family name. If you know Star Trek you should know that.
 
That is one thing that bugged me... how easily the Discovery crew adapted to the technology of the 32nd century.

Yes, these are smart and adaptable people. But there should have been more time needed for this crew to get up to speed.

A few decades in the future? Absolutely can adapt quickly. A hundred years? I'd expect it to be more difficult, but I suppose it is doable.

But almost a millennium ahead in the future? They should basically be 'cavemen confronted with a tricorder', to quote Captain Donald Varley.
Imagine Lord Nelson (famous British admiral who led their victory over a larger Spanish armada at the Battle of Trafalgar) or Admiral David Farragut (US Civil War admiral famous for the phrase “damn the torpedoes”). Both are considered brilliant naval tacticians of their times.

if they somehow showed up in the 21st century aboard sailing ships, I doubt we would be able to give them a crash course on modern naval technology and they’d be able to command an aircraft carrier or nuclear submarine.

And yet that’s the premise you gotta go with for Discovery. Just acclimating the crew to the changes in society should take some time, before even educating them in all the scientific updates that would have occurred in 8 centuries. Even if Lord Nelson’s crew were aware of how a steam engine worked, they would need time to understand and learn the operation of a nuclear reactor.
 
Imagine Lord Nelson (famous British admiral who led their victory over a larger Spanish armada at the Battle of Trafalgar)...

Combined French and Spanish fleet, with the fleet under French command – this was the Napoleonic Wars after all. France wanted to break the dominance of the British navy, and as Spain was allies with France and also didn't like British naval dominance they joined in. And "unfinished business" left over from the Seven Years' War fifty years earlier also likely played a part.

Just to avoid potential confusion here, the Spanish armada was a different conflict over 200 years earlier where Spain attempted to invade England and restore it to Catholicism. At the time England was a minor European power with little influence outside of its own borders and Spain controlled the most powerful empire in Europe, so their defeat at the hands of the English came as quite a shock.
 
I'm actually a writer/editor by profession and have been for quite some time and I know a good story when I see it. This (season of Discovery) is not a good story. What I know about story telling, these people on the writing staff don't know, especially when it comes to science fiction in general and Trek in particular.

And if I want to take the piss out on Trek's writers, i'm gonna do it. So you can just go pound sand for all I care, Miss Enlightened One.
You must also be an avid reader. Maybe try this book.
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I'm actually a writer/editor by profession and have been for quite some time and I know a good story when I see it. This (season of Discovery) is not a good story. What I know about story telling, these people on the writing staff don't know, especially when it comes to science fiction in general and Trek in particular.

And if I want to take the piss out on Trek's writers, i'm gonna do it. So you can just go pound sand for all I care, Miss Enlightened One.

“I am a writer, so you must listen to me!!!”, lots of “writers” like you have been here over the years. We chew them up and spit them out. :lol:
 
Colonel Green.

Species 8472.

Chang.


something something speed of plot.

Kirk does it.

Paris does it.

A conman from the 22nd century pilfers a time pod to steal tech from a much later time period than his own.

It's not new to Star Trek. At all.

Because it's not about the tech. It's about the people. If Enterprise can be accepted now (and declared so backwards from The Next Generation, though phase pistols act the same), then I can accept Discovery at this point.

It ain't going to change anything on my enjoyment level.

Regarding dead villains... I can see Colonel Green as being interesting after death, but mainly because of his 'appearance' in "THE SAVAGE CURTAIN" and mentioning by Paxton in "DEMONS"/"TERRA PRIME".

But what do you mean by Species 8472 and Chang? 8472 is not extinct.


And regarding Kirk and Paris...

Both were adapting to technology from the past, which is going to be easier than hundreds of years in the future.

And Rasmussen himself said it took a while to learn that time pod... but it was only that one thing he was focused on. Discovery's crew not only had to adapt to all the tech from the 32nd century but they would need to adapt to a different society. (Though I will grant Federation society may not have changed too much in terms of their core values, so that adaptation would be the easiest.)

At least show a scene with them struggling a bit... no matter how smart and adaptable you are, there should be a learning curve. We saw it with Janeway trying to type in "FUTURE'S END", for example. She got the hang of it quickly, but you saw her struggling with typing at first... enough that her and Chakotay were able to make a short joke about it. We saw Kirk struggle with driving a car in "A PIECE OF THE ACTION", too. (One thing ENT did well was showing the crew not immediately getting alien tech right from the start. The other shows glossed over this, so it was refreshing to see ENT actually have the crew take time to figure out another ship's systems.)
 
I want the writers of Discovery and the other Trek series to actually FRAKKING WRITE SCIENCE FICTION for once and not this ridiculous CW-esque drama/feels/lets talk about our feelings pap and pablum they keep shoveling each and every episode. I want to be amazed and astonished with Star Trek again and see things i've never imagined. I want the wonder and grandeur that used to be Trek.
I don't.

I want characters and emotions and drama in an action/adventure framework that leaves me feeling foe the characters. The science fiction setting is fun but not the primary focus. Episodes like Balance of Terror, are my favorites because the characters drive the drama.

But sure, let's just blame fandom for the absolute dumpster fire modern Trek is.
Well, no, but let's recognize the feedback and how negatively change has been received sometimes before we go all "lazy writers."
 
I want the writers of Discovery and the other Trek series to actually FRAKKING WRITE SCIENCE FICTION for once and not this ridiculous CW-esque drama/feels/lets talk about our feelings pap and pablum they keep shoveling each and every episode. I want to be amazed and astonished with Star Trek again and see things i've never imagined. I want the wonder and grandeur that used to be Trek.
No one is forcing you to watch the show.
Plenty of other TV out there.

SNW has what you want. Lower Decks really goes hard on Science Fiction, as does Prodigy.
 
Imagine Lord Nelson (famous British admiral who led their victory over a larger Spanish armada at the Battle of Trafalgar) or Admiral David Farragut (US Civil War admiral famous for the phrase “damn the torpedoes”). Both are considered brilliant naval tacticians of their times.

if they somehow showed up in the 21st century aboard sailing ships, I doubt we would be able to give them a crash course on modern naval technology and they’d be able to command an aircraft carrier or nuclear submarine.

And yet that’s the premise you gotta go with for Discovery. Just acclimating the crew to the changes in society should take some time, before even educating them in all the scientific updates that would have occurred in 8 centuries. Even if Lord Nelson’s crew were aware of how a steam engine worked, they would need time to understand and learn the operation of a nuclear reactor.

Actually dropping Farragut into today's world wouldn't be too far away from Discovery turning up in the Next Gen era, which doesn't sound too terrible, what we have with the show would be effectively some sailors from the 1200s showing up today, and while I think Farragut and even Nelson might get their heads around 2024 eventually, I can't imagine someone from the 13th century doing so.

I appreciate The Burn stunted technological advancement somewhat but not that much, and as you say, forget the technology just imagine how much society has changed in just 150 years since Farragut died
 
You will in November. I've been working on this project for about six years now. :ack: I'm quite anxious to get it released as it'll probably be my last project.

The other stuff i've done was a couple of really awful poetry I wrote in high school & college along with a few short stories i've had published. Oh and I was a contributing writer for a couple online RPGs.

I used to be a space news journalist for the website of the local NPR station and an LGBTQ+ activist.

So i've written a bunch of stuff that's not related to Trek in general.

So..... you're a nobody who has written nothing that anybody has actually read. Yet, you hold yourself as a superior to those who actually are professional writers?

:rolleyes:
 
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