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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x06 - "Whistlespeak"

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Because Disco is the only ship in the fleet and Burnham the only person capable of teaching anyone.
1001001 claimed "she" as in Michael would do it completely.

Getting other people do stuff isn't doing it completely yourself, it's having faith that others will be able to accomplish something to a satisfying degree. And well, given the Federation is literally known for not properly following up I wouldn't put much faith in their ability to do so just on Michael's say so.
 
1001001 claimed "she" as in Michael would do it completely.

Getting other people do stuff isn't doing it completely yourself, it's having faith that others will be able to accomplish something to a satisfying degree. And well, given the Federation is literally known for not properly following up I wouldn't put much faith in their ability to do so just on Michael's say so.

Jesus.

So your position is that that Michael said she would show them how to maintain the towers, and then left without doing so or making some kind of arrangement?

That’s pretty stupid.
 
The fact is, the only way that race is not doomed is if either A) Someone fixes the planet. B) Someone moves them to another planet. Because with that little space it's just completely past the point where they can actually develop as a civilization.

But Michael didn't do it completely.

Teaching a bronze age civilization to maintain space age technology is the work of years. And the Discovery left at the end of the episode.

The most she could have done is either leave instruction manuals or instructors behind. And that's far from "doing it completely".

Or The Federation will send a team of engineers and anthropologists to repair the other towers and then help the helem'nites. Like they do in that Star Trek series that is all about what happens after first contact.
 
Can someone explain to me why wiping the aleins" short term memory wasn't even brought up as an option to avoid breaking the
the prime directive? Yes yes they would probably decide against it and /or they could not do it medically. But why not at least bounce it about as an idea or contrarian viewpoint?
Wiping their memories would mean they'd go back to killing themselves to make it rain.
 
The Cerritos-J will follow up.

I saw a good design for that once...

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Hey, it's an internal matter. If they want to kill themselves I say let 'em crash.
Maybe, but it'd be rather shitty if after showing them there's another way to prosper that doesn't involve sending people into the proverbial slaughterhouse to summon rain our heroes wiped their memories leaving thinking they still have to send people to the proverbial slaughterhouse to bring rain.
 
There needs to be a meme where Admiral Vance shrugs and rolls his eyes at a Denobulan as Vance says: "WTF??"
 
Maybe, but it'd be rather shitty if after showing them there's another way to prosper that doesn't involve sending people into the proverbial slaughterhouse to summon rain our heroes wiped their memories leaving thinking they still have to send people to the proverbial slaughterhouse to bring rain.
Damn, Airplane reference flew right over...:(
 
I gave 8, I like the episode overall but I think it sputtered a bit in execution. The convincing felt a little too easy. Bonus points for not even questioning that stopping an apocalypse was an okay PD violation.
 
Jesus.

So your position is that that Michael said she would show them how to maintain the towers, and then left without doing so or making some kind of arrangement?

That’s pretty stupid.
If you can prove the Discovery Crew actually followed through for once, go for it.
 
If you're going to reveal your existence to them, instead of trying to teach a stone-age civilization to maintain technology that current 21st century engineering students might have issues with, why not just do a modified version of TNG's "Homeward" solution?

Why not just offer to move them to a different planet where the weather isn't as shitty?

That has to be easier than teaching a culture that doesn't understand physics to maintain a machine with tech that probably goes beyond modern circuit boards.

Which is a nice thing. I find Who Watches the Watchers a frustratingly one dimensional take on the issue - a take repeated ad nauseum by Trek fans ever since. TNG at its most preachy.

The episode doesn't want to be judgmental about religion or spirituality, but the entire religion on this planet was based around a Prime Directive violation by the Denobulans 800 years ago. The damage was already done before Discovery got there. So I can't see Burnham being held responsible for intervention.

What did bother me was Burnham's attitude of placating the Halem’nites' belief. It irked me, since people have died for a lie for who knows how long. They worshipped these rain towers and thought they were the work of "Gods" when that's demonstrably untrue. And telling them the truth, that there are no gods, explaining what's been done and why, would be a way of correcting the damage.

But instead of trying to do that correction totally, Burnham's "maybe I was sent here by one" and "there is still what you believe" is such bullshit that doesn't acknowledge responsibility for the lives that have been needlessly lost because the Denobulans didn't think through their plan.

Picard intervenes in TNG's "Who Watches the Watchers?" to dissuade the belief in a religion or gods specifically to avoid this kind of thing where people think they need to sacrifice others to gain favor.
 
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