Code Of Honor: What Do You Think?

[Skipper]

My God, I'm rewatching bits of the episode and it was worse than I remembered. At one point Troi and Picard ask Tasha how excited and flattered she was that she had been chosen as Lutan's consort.

“Tasha, you have been kidnapped and held captive against your will, sparking a diplomatic crisis that could lead to the deaths of millions of people. Plus, you could risk your life in a duel to the death. But the thing we want to know is: how hot do you find your kidnapper???"

Cocaine. This is the only explanation. It was the 80s and there was too much cocaine going around in the writers' room.

 

[MikHutch]

i don't think ST ever had good h2h combat scenes. The TOS ones were hokey and the TNG ones were hokey + boring.

 

[Skipper]

i don't think ST ever had good h2h combat scenes. The TOS ones were hokey and the TNG ones were hokey + boring.

I quite enjoyed some fights from SNW and DIS . But yes, before that it was quite embarrassing...

 

[MikHutch]

I quite enjoyed some fights from SNW and DIS . But yes, before that it was quite embarrassing...

definitely. i'll give NuTrek this: their battles can be more exciting

when I can actually see what's going on hahaha

 

[Jayson1]

definitely. i'll give NuTrek this: their battles can be more exciting

when I can actually see what's going on hahaha

I agree. It is one thing modern Trek does pretty well. Well modern Trek does other good things as well but this is one thing people don't mention that much.

 

[MikHutch]

I agree. It is one thing modern Trek does pretty well. Well modern Trek does other good things as well but this is one thing people don't mention that much.

Yeah, for example, showing 3-d fighting moves in A Quality of Mercy.

Imagine seeing a Dominion starship with this level of detail in a battle!

 

[Skipper]

I agree. It is one thing modern Trek does pretty well. Well modern Trek does other good things as well but this is one thing people don't mention that much.

Not to mention the firefights! In Dis it is the first time I have seen a fight between people armed with phasers that is at least plausible! Before, they always looked like a rough copy of a 1950s western shootout.

 

[Skipper]

I agree. It is one thing modern Trek does pretty well. Well modern Trek does other good things as well but this is one thing people don't mention that much.

I've an idea! A thread about how pre-NuTrek fight scenes suck and then we blame Berman

 

[MikHutch]

I've an idea! A thread about how pre-NuTrek fight scenes suck and then we blame Berman

he's to blame for a lot. wouldn't surprise me if he was to blame for this

although tbh, American movies and shows before the Bourne identity overall had terrible h2h fighting so idk how much of it is just his fault

 

[Moviefan2k4]

My God, I'm rewatching bits of the episode and it was worse than I remembered. At one point Troi and Picard ask Tasha how excited and flattered she was that she had been chosen as Lutan's consort.

“Tasha, you have been kidnapped and held captive against your will, sparking a diplomatic crisis that could lead to the deaths of millions of people. Plus, you could risk your life in a duel to the death. But the thing we want to know is: how hot do you find your kidnapper???"

Cocaine. This is the only explanation. It was the 80s and there was too much cocaine going around in the writers' room.

OK, this made me laugh...especially since Gene was known to actually use cocaine (I don't know if anyone else on "TNG" did).

 

[Guy Gardener]

My God, I'm rewatching bits of the episode and it was worse than I remembered. At one point Troi and Picard ask Tasha how excited and flattered she was that she had been chosen as Lutan's consort.

“Tasha, you have been kidnapped and held captive against your will, sparking a diplomatic crisis that could lead to the deaths of millions of people. Plus, you could risk your life in a duel to the death. But the thing we want to know is: how hot do you find your kidnapper???"

Cocaine. This is the only explanation. It was the 80s and there was too much cocaine going around in the writers' room.

Why does Troi have to ask people how they are feeling?

Is she trying to catch Tasha in a lie, or do her powers only work well past a distance of 700 miles through the cold grip of space?

Are we certain that she's an empath and not a con woman?

 

[Moviefan2k4]

Why does Troi have to ask people how they are feeling?

Is she trying to catch Tasha in a lie, or do her powers only work well past a distance of 700 miles through the cold grip of space?

Are we certain that she's an empath and not a con woman?

Deanna says in the pilot that since she is only half Betazoid, she can only sense strong emotions. She can't read people's minds, like her mother.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Deanna says in the pilot that since she is only half Betazoid, she can only sense strong emotions. She can't read people's minds, like her mother.

After almost 40 years of this shit, we go off book, and speculate weird and crazy shit that is probably not true, but what if Deanna was faking having super powers, to get a cushy job on a big ship?

 

[Moviefan2k4]

After almost 40 years of this shit, we go off book, and speculate weird and crazy shit that is probably not true, but what if Deanna was faking having super powers, to get a cushy job on a big ship?

The writers of the shows and movies didn't craft her that way, though. Aside from her on/off relationship with Riker, and her contentious attitude toward her mother, Deanna's main function aboard the Enterprise was to serve as the ship's counselor (obviously needed for a population of over 1,000 people on the same journey), and also to operate as a "lie detector" on away missions.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The writers of the shows and movies didn't craft her that way, though. Aside from her on/off relationship with Riker, and her contentious attitude toward her mother, Deanna's main function aboard the Enterprise was to serve as the ship's counselor (obviously needed for a population of over 1,000 people on the same journey), and also to operate as a "lie detector" on away missions.

There's a word starting with "r" that covers nonconsensual mind scans, and any ship they encountered who felt that therapist's long fingernails in their minds, was justified in unloading all their torpedoes against the D's shields.

Is it really worth being murdered by Ferengi in exchange for the gold class assessment of "I sense dishonesty Captain"?

 

[Skipper]

OK, this made me laugh...especially since Gene was known to actually use cocaine (I don't know if anyone else on "TNG" did).

You know, even after 30 years it's a little bizarre how sexuality is treated in some episodes of the first season. Gene wanted to push the envelope, but sometimes the result was a little awkward.

 

[Malicia]

Whenever I hear someone say, "that's racist", I think of actions being done or words said out of hatred. When ignorance is involved, I think mercy should be applied. And it certainly doesn't help that several people who cry foul over this sort of thing, also make it very clear that they still want to be treated differently in various ways. I just don't get that; you either believe in peaceful co-existence, or you don't...and if the latter is true, at least be honest about it.

Racism borne from ignorance during upbringing is still racism and more likely to continue in to adulthood. A poor excuse.

 

[GulBahana]

I didn't notice the racism when I first watched it as a teen. Just found it to be one of those duds from the first season.

 

[trekshark]

been years since I last saw it. My memories of it is that it simply isn't all that good regardless of all the internet hand wringing

 

[Skipper]

The first time I saw this episode, I had met, I don't know, 20 black people in my life? (Italy in the late 80s wasn't exactly a melting pot). So the whole “Is this racist?” angle flew right over my head.

And still I thought it sucked.