Well the jumping is a 2-parter and weekly episodes. That seems reasonable to me.
Spoilers The struggle to care about the season 5 premiere
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I’m finding myself caring more about the show than I have for the longest time. Probably haven’t been this excited to watch it since season two. The trailers, previews and early reviews look and sound very promising. Would love so much for the show to get a perfect final season. These characters deserve a good send-off.
I'll wait until the book comes out.
I think what differentiates the scripts under Michelle Paradise vs. Terry Matalas is I've never gotten the impression that Paradise is slavish to the canon of any Trek era to the point of sacrificing a coherent story. Disco's struggles have been over the story arc pacing, rather than the core story idea itself. I'm not worried about season 5 repeating the mistakes of Picard S3.
I'm going to make the huge mistake of watching the first two episodes as soon as they drop. Which means I'll be watching them from 2:00-something in the morning to 4:00-something, Eastern Daylight Time. I shouldn't do it, but I'm doing it anyway.
Picard Season 3, we're just not going to talk about it. I love it, and people will have to accept that, but I'm here to talk about Disco Season 5. Which I'm also looking very forward to. If anything, Picard was a nice diversion from the ridiculously long wait between DSC seasons. At least for me. But I'm glad Disco is back now.
Picard Season 3, we're just not going to talk about it. I love it, and people will have to accept that, but I'm here to talk about Disco Season 5. Which I'm also looking very forward to. If anything, Picard was a nice diversion from the ridiculously long wait between DSC seasons. At least for me. But I'm glad Disco is back now.
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You are a stronger man than I.
They both have their own strengths and very obvious weaknesses.
I will admit that I feel it's time for DSC to end. (Actually I felt it should have ended after season 3, but that's another story.) I will say that I thank DSC for showing that Trek on TV is still a viable thing rather than one movie every five years (or eight, as the case may be at present), but I also think that a lot of the creative decisions that CBSTrek has recently made over the years are not helping that viability. I still haven't seen DSC season 4, and I should probably slog through it before the new season comes out. It's just very hard to get into a show when I dislike the main character so much.
I'm looking forward to it, and I'll be watching either on release day or the day after.
It's not like season 1 hype, but we're living in the latter stage of content spam, so nothing feels as special as it once did.
It's not like season 1 hype, but we're living in the latter stage of content spam, so nothing feels as special as it once did.
Season 4 killed my interest in DISCO because they just go, "Oh and the Federation is rebuilt."
Like...what?
The new premise of the show is just over?
Like...what?
The new premise of the show is just over?
Another reason I miss those 8pm prime time drops of Discovery.
Regardless, I think I will probably have time that night but I definitely might do a group watch of some kind, even if it's not the first watch.
The Federation is not rebuilt. Before the Burn, it was over 300 worlds. Now it's just over 60. Being 20% of the size it used to be at its peak, and less than half the size it was during TNG, doesn't make the Federation "rebuilt".
Earth rejoined, but Earth isn't the main focus. They're not going to replace all the standing sets. Starfleet Command will still be where it is now. Rillack is still President. Vance is still Admiral. Discovery will be sent on a different adventure. Earth is not as big of a deal in the 32nd Century. If we even see Earth represented at all, it's going to be through Ndoye, who always has a dissenting opinion. Earth will not have the prominence it once had and it won't be portrayed in as positive of a light as it once was. So, in fact, nothing of substance has changed.
"Earth rejoined the Federation!" is a background detail in Disco World. It's a notch under Rillack's belt. "I got two founding members to rejoin! Remember that when I run for re-election in a few years!"
I'm not like, "Oh! Earth rejoined! Ugh! I'm not interested in the series anymore! Even though Earth's not the main focus! But, honey, look at this! Come over here. Earth rejoined the Federation! I just can't watch this show now."
Yeah, I feel it's been incremental and slowly built upon. Even Starfleet Academy will be part of the rebuilding process hinted at by Kovich in 04x04. In fact this is the main reason why an Academy show is more interesting in this time period than any other.
Sixty worlds is the size of the Federation throughout big parts of Star Trek and pretty much remove a lot of the desperate, confused, and post-apocalypse feel of the setting.
It also feels wilder and woolier, with things still rough at the edges.
First off, the Federation is 150 worlds in the TNG Era. That's 65% of Star Trek. Splitting hairs, but that's what it is. Picard says it in FC.
Second, the "post-apocalyptic" feeling largely disappeared once Discovery rejoined the fleet early in S3.
Third, none of that changes any of what I said in my previous post.
Fourth, one of the episodes, 404 ("All Is Possible"?) establishes that most Federation citizens have grown up only around their own people, so lot of them are still learning to reintegrate. It's a key plot point when Tilly is dealing with the cadets.
Rebuilding isn't the same as rebuilt. And they couldn't just wallow in devastation for the entire second half of the series, and make no progress whatsoever. That's not Star Trek.
I admit I would've liked Earth to have stayed out of the Federation longer in the series, but it's not a deal-breaker for me, I had a feeling it would rejoin before the end, and knowing the fifth season is the last, I'm glad they rejoined when they did. Disco is a series that doesn't wait. To quote Alex Kurtzman, DSC is "like a bullet." It stops for no one.
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Eh, I'm just sharing my opinion.
I also felt that Season 4 really depended on you not drawing an equivalence between 10-C and the massive numbers of people killed by corporate malfeasance. Which, bluntly, since they're MINERS who kill a bunch of environmentalists, is pretty hard.
Still, I'll watch Season 5.
I also felt that Season 4 really depended on you not drawing an equivalence between 10-C and the massive numbers of people killed by corporate malfeasance. Which, bluntly, since they're MINERS who kill a bunch of environmentalists, is pretty hard.
Still, I'll watch Season 5.
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150 worlds in Picard's time. 350 worlds in the 30th century. 38 worlds after the Discovery returns. 59 at the end of season 4.
I don't know about you but my math says this has not restored the Federation yet.
After watching But to Connect last night I can see the long arduous process of reforming happening. It doesn't feel finished at all. Not sure which show you were watching.
It's no struggle at all. I'm pumped. Can hardly wait.
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