Yeah, I thought the most you can get is simulated IMAX by going full screen for some shots.
But maybe some people actually have IMAX screens at home?
Poll Dune Part 2 (2024) Spoiler/Rating Thread
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But maybe some people actually have IMAX screens at home?
I read the book a million years ago, so I didn't even notice most of the changes until people brought them up in this thread.
I think the focus on the religious angle worked, it made the movie into a tragedy: Paul trying to escape his fate, only to succumb to it.
Ar first I thought it was a bit jarring that the fremen motivation went from "Muadib will give us a green paradise and make us free" to "lets wage ear on other plants for insulting our leader". But then it occurred to me that it actually fits the movie's theme perfectly. Religious extremism becoming a goal on its own right
I think the focus on the religious angle worked, it made the movie into a tragedy: Paul trying to escape his fate, only to succumb to it.
Ar first I thought it was a bit jarring that the fremen motivation went from "Muadib will give us a green paradise and make us free" to "lets wage ear on other plants for insulting our leader". But then it occurred to me that it actually fits the movie's theme perfectly. Religious extremism becoming a goal on its own right
I will catch up and read the rest of the thread tomorrow along with more thoughts, but I saw the film on IMAX and holy fuck, I wept with joy.
I simply cannot overstate how visually impressive this film is. But even more importantly, I cannot overstate how well the second part concluded the story, despite all of the deep complexities that remained within the adaptation, despite all of the minute intricacies that did not make into either film, despite some of the significant changes, for better or for worse (mostly for the better). Conclusive but sets up for the intended Messiah (I guess this means I need to give that book a second chance finally).
This is a film that requires repeat viewings to fully take it all in and that makes it all the better. Much like the extended editions of The Lord of the Rings trilogy, the lengthy duology is well worth the many viewings of such a loving and largely faithful adaptation.
I simply cannot overstate how visually impressive this film is. But even more importantly, I cannot overstate how well the second part concluded the story, despite all of the deep complexities that remained within the adaptation, despite all of the minute intricacies that did not make into either film, despite some of the significant changes, for better or for worse (mostly for the better). Conclusive but sets up for the intended Messiah (I guess this means I need to give that book a second chance finally).
This is a film that requires repeat viewings to fully take it all in and that makes it all the better. Much like the extended editions of The Lord of the Rings trilogy, the lengthy duology is well worth the many viewings of such a loving and largely faithful adaptation.
Before diving into what people have already been discussing, I want to remark on certain changes, at least the ones I could recall.
The most notable change that stood out to me was Ilia's role and I quite liked the decision to have her still in utero, telepathically communicating with Jessica. I've never seen something like that before so that aspect really appealed to me (even though I'm sure it has been done before somewhere across film, television, and novel). Of course, this meant changing who killed the Baron and, while it's a shame we didn't get a creepy child as the assassin, Paul's confrontation was nonetheless effective.
I do wish Anya Taylor-Joy's appearance in the film hadn't been leaked (regardless of her presence at the world premiere) because that would've been one hell of a surprise reveal during Paul's vision. I didn't recognize her voice during the communications so that facial reveal would've properly floored me. Without having read Messiah, I'm curious to see if we'll see a big time jump (and how such a jump would effect the overall plot) for the third film to allow Taylor-Joy to continue to play the role. On the other hand, that'll look weird alongside people like Timothée Chalamet and Zendaya when she's a few months younger than the former and a few months older than the latter.
Even though I just reread the novel just a few years ago in preparation for the first film, my memory sucks so I was blurry on some of the other changes, particularly regarding the immediacy of the conflict with the Great Houses and Chani's open rebellion against Paul at the end. I was fairly certain both didn't occur in the first novel but I couldn't remember exactly how they did play out. Until this morning, I was blurry on the Fenrigs because I can't even remember if Lady Fenrig seduced Feyd or not in the novel while I was watching the film, but now I do recall the role she played in the novel.
I had just figured Thufir hadn't been included at all (especially considering his main arc was omitted in the first part and the importance of the Mentats wasn't explored) so I was a little surprised to learn Stephen McKinley Henderson actually filmed scenes that were ultimately cut.
It's curious Tim Blake Nelson has chosen to remain mum who he played (but I respect his deferring to Villeneuve on the manner), which makes me wonder who he played. Aside from Count Fenrig (whose omission is no great loss in my mind), I can't think anyone of significance who was missing. Considering we didn't see Lady Fenrig during the conclusion, it would've been hard to cut the count, too, unless they were conveniently off to the side. My only other guess is a character introduced in Messiah that Villeneuve decided to introduce early but then cut for time, which is why Nelson has chosen to remain mum.
The most notable change that stood out to me was Ilia's role and I quite liked the decision to have her still in utero, telepathically communicating with Jessica. I've never seen something like that before so that aspect really appealed to me (even though I'm sure it has been done before somewhere across film, television, and novel). Of course, this meant changing who killed the Baron and, while it's a shame we didn't get a creepy child as the assassin, Paul's confrontation was nonetheless effective.
I do wish Anya Taylor-Joy's appearance in the film hadn't been leaked (regardless of her presence at the world premiere) because that would've been one hell of a surprise reveal during Paul's vision. I didn't recognize her voice during the communications so that facial reveal would've properly floored me. Without having read Messiah, I'm curious to see if we'll see a big time jump (and how such a jump would effect the overall plot) for the third film to allow Taylor-Joy to continue to play the role. On the other hand, that'll look weird alongside people like Timothée Chalamet and Zendaya when she's a few months younger than the former and a few months older than the latter.
Even though I just reread the novel just a few years ago in preparation for the first film, my memory sucks so I was blurry on some of the other changes, particularly regarding the immediacy of the conflict with the Great Houses and Chani's open rebellion against Paul at the end. I was fairly certain both didn't occur in the first novel but I couldn't remember exactly how they did play out. Until this morning, I was blurry on the Fenrigs because I can't even remember if Lady Fenrig seduced Feyd or not in the novel while I was watching the film, but now I do recall the role she played in the novel.
I loved that focus, too, especially since I worried that theme would be lost in translation for general audiences. Hell, some readers of the book miss that point, so it's good that Villeneuve made that theme very clear here.
While I respect your opinion on that, I have to disagree. I was blown away by Charlotte Rampling's depiction of Mohaim's nastiness and I say this as a big fan of Phillips thanks to I, Claudius. I also loved everything Rebecca Ferguson did as Jessica. I will say this comes with the caveat that I've only seen the Lynch version a couple of times and don't have any strong loyalty or nostalgia towards it.
Honestly, I was disappointed by the lack of visions (aside from the one centered around Alia) but I get why that perspective was chosen. Less is more is an effective tool, but so is show not tell. I'm ultimately torn on this decision. I'll see how I feel on repeat viewings.
I read last night on Wikipedia about both of those characters being omitted.
I had just figured Thufir hadn't been included at all (especially considering his main arc was omitted in the first part and the importance of the Mentats wasn't explored) so I was a little surprised to learn Stephen McKinley Henderson actually filmed scenes that were ultimately cut.
It's curious Tim Blake Nelson has chosen to remain mum who he played (but I respect his deferring to Villeneuve on the manner), which makes me wonder who he played. Aside from Count Fenrig (whose omission is no great loss in my mind), I can't think anyone of significance who was missing. Considering we didn't see Lady Fenrig during the conclusion, it would've been hard to cut the count, too, unless they were conveniently off to the side. My only other guess is a character introduced in Messiah that Villeneuve decided to introduce early but then cut for time, which is why Nelson has chosen to remain mum.
Saw it yesterday morning, and absolutely loved it.
Paul, even with the 'heel turn' that he undergoes at the conclusion of the story, was one of the best characters in the film, along with Chani, and the conflict between them that causes her to leave has me really interested in what's potentially going to happen if we get a Dune Messiah film.
I also really liked Feyd-Ruatha, whose characterization here was so similar to the Voltron Legendary Defender version of Prince Lotor, something that I'm ashamed to admit that I didn't actually notice until I was in the midst of listening to Mallory Rubin and Joanna Robinson talk about the movie on their House of R podcast.
Because of the way that Denis Villeneuve and Jon Spaihts crafted the story, I was also strongly reminded of the novels through which I first entered the "Dune-iverse", Brian Herbert's co-authored Legends of Dune Trilogy, which made me really happy and enhanced my enjoyment of the film.
Dune Part 2 was honestly one of the best movies I've seen in a very long time and has me hoping that we don't have to wait too much longer for an announcement of a Dune Messiah movie.
Paul, even with the 'heel turn' that he undergoes at the conclusion of the story, was one of the best characters in the film, along with Chani, and the conflict between them that causes her to leave has me really interested in what's potentially going to happen if we get a Dune Messiah film.
I also really liked Feyd-Ruatha, whose characterization here was so similar to the Voltron Legendary Defender version of Prince Lotor, something that I'm ashamed to admit that I didn't actually notice until I was in the midst of listening to Mallory Rubin and Joanna Robinson talk about the movie on their House of R podcast.
Because of the way that Denis Villeneuve and Jon Spaihts crafted the story, I was also strongly reminded of the novels through which I first entered the "Dune-iverse", Brian Herbert's co-authored Legends of Dune Trilogy, which made me really happy and enhanced my enjoyment of the film.
Dune Part 2 was honestly one of the best movies I've seen in a very long time and has me hoping that we don't have to wait too much longer for an announcement of a Dune Messiah movie.
I would give odds on Fenring, but also Korba & Otheym are strong possibilities. They are characters in Dune who are mere cameos but then become important figures in Messiah. With Villeneuve's track record of hiring for future roles from Part 1&2 I wouldn't put it beyond him hiring Nelson now for one of their big roles in Messiah.
Re: Tim Blake Nelson, Mallory and Joanna from the abovementioned House of R podcast acted like he'd already officially confirmed that he'd been cast as Count Fenring, so I'm not entirely sure whey there's still any confusion on that front.
It was never officially confirmed. Nelson himself said yesterday that he won't say who he played because Villineuve hasn't released it. It was just heavily rumoured to be Fenring since nobody had been cast on the role.
https://ew.com/tim-blake-nelson-heartbroken-cut-from-dune-part-2-8604034
I don't even know what this podcast is or why two people talking about it would make it official.
Again, Mallory and Joanna did not treat their brief discussion about Tim Blake Nelson's role in the film having been cut as if the specifics of said role weren't officially released knowledge, which, given their reputations and professional resumes (Mallory is the Editor-in-chief of/at The Ringer and Joanna was previously employed for several years by Vanity Fair) , isn't something that I'd expect them to do.
Then google it and show us the link with the official casting. If it's such common knowledge it should be easy.
Denis Villeneuve tried to have Brolin (Gurney) say "Tabarnak" in Dune Part 2 but had to cut it because it sounded too wrong with his American accent
https://cultmtl.com/2024/03/denis-v...ip-a-tabarnak-into-dune-part-two-josh-brolin/
https://cultmtl.com/2024/03/denis-v...ip-a-tabarnak-into-dune-part-two-josh-brolin/
I've got my stillsuit cleaned and pressed so I can watch the whole thing without a break.
It is 166 minutes, and I did almost drift off at a couple of points. I feel bad for David Lynch, still. He wanted a four-hour original cut but couldn't have that in one sitting. Denis ultimately got nearly six hours in two sittings, and both of his halves had longer runing times than the 1984 attempt.
Chani seemed antagonistic with just about all of her major allies so much I nearly considered her one of Snow White's Seven until Gurney told her to sit down.
But they're not. They cannot be. You fell for Paul's pithiness. Or Herbert's.
Some day a DUNE adaptation will stop omitting, decreasing or disrespecting Thufir. I still enjoyed the great argument he and Jessica had in Book One. In semi-relation to that distrust, I was equally hoping Gurney would confront Jessica with the rumors of her untrustworthiness from Book Three.
I don't recall Thuf kicking the bucket in Part One, though [perhaps he was eliminated offscreen. It's almost as weird as downgrading CHRISTOPHER LEE in a trilogy-conclusion for ''lack of time.''
I didn't say that Tim Blake Nelson's casting as Count Fenring was "common knowledge"; I specifically used the terms "officially confirmed" and "officially released", which it clearly was (even if only within the Hollywood press circle).
I may have been assuming that Mallory and Joanna's comments about TBN's casting were more widely spread than it appears that they are and that said comments would have silenced all questions about his role, but that doesn't really matter here.
As I tried to note, it wasn't Denis' original intention to minimize Thufir's role, but something that happened in the editing room after he made the decision to focus more attention on the Bene Gesseret.
How many times have you been in this situation? You cite sources you consider trustworthy saying a particular thing and therefore declare that thing to be "official" despite the fact that no other sources anywhere are saying this thing. Have you not learned anything the previous times? Or is this the part where you realize we aren't going to be convinced and say "I retract my statement" or "I was just stating an opinion" or one of your other famous Go To lines for backing out of an argument you realize you aren't going to win?
...So it was officially released but only in secret....
You do know those are contradictory statements, right?
The word you were looking for here is "limited", not "secret", and, no, nothing I said is contradictory.
This conversation is going nowhere fast, though, and so I'm ending it with something I just added to my previous post:
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If it's not in the film it doesn't count.
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
He should have been milking a cat!
it's all starting to make sense now...DigificWriter said:
I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.
The worms are the worms.
The spice is the spice.
The worms are not the spice.
The spice is not the worms.