Poll Dune Part 2 (2024) Spoiler/Rating Thread

[Asbo Zaprudder]

Checks thread title - spoilers ok - however, I'll code them anyway.

Spoiler: Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes

The Bene Gesserit being the primary villains is more subtle in the books, but they have sound motives for their plans within plans. Paul is a villain, but he has no option but to be one. He's a clockwork Muad'Dib on rails and he knows it. He shouldn't exist and Jessica is to blame for that. She is also more of a villain as she uses her unlocked other memories to seek revenge on the Harkonnens and the Emperor. Billions of people will die on may worlds in the holy war that has been unleashed. The reason for this jihad or struggle is made more plain in this movie than in the book. As for Alia being as yet unborn, but still able to enforce her will, I think that works better than having a small child kill the Baron with a Gom Jabbar. If the adaptations ever get as far as Children of Dune, it will make it a little harder perhaps to explain Alia's fall into abomination.

 

[Quantum21]

I'll see it soon.

Dune fan Fremen: "This 10 secs of the movie deviates from the book. HERESY!"

You missed the point of the book friends.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Saw it this afternoon.

A cinematic masterpiece, no question about it. There are still a couple elements of the '84 version I prefer, but there really is no comparison in terms of scope, production values, and fx. I recommend seeing it on the biggest screen with the best sound system that you can. I doubt I'll see a better 'big theater' movie for the next couple of years.

As much as I love Christopher Walken, I felt this was a miscast. A minor nitpick, though. Dave Bautista was excellently cast as the Beast Rabban. Jessica came off as more than a little sinister in this version, as did the rest of the Bene Gesserit, with no real appearance at all by the Spacing Guild. It all worked well, though.

Dune Messiah definitely appears to be on Villeneuve's radar, given the way this one ended.

9.5/10. An instant classic, and a must see if you are any kind of sci-fi fan.

 

[wayoung]

OP updated with audience scores from critic aggregate sites.

95% at RT, same as critic scores (they dropped 2 points).

89 at Metacritic, 10 over critic score.

9.1 on IMDB, #30 on list of top movies of all time.

 

[Commander Troi]

I wish I could see it this weekend, but hubby and I still have lingering sickness.

 

[The Wormhole]

About the only really serious deviation between the book and the movie is the timeframe. The book takes place over the course of three years while the movie is obviously spans less than nine months. Yes, there are other notable deviations, but that was the biggest one from my perspective.

Still, great movie I loved it.

 

[Starscream2112]

Just got back from seeing it. The special effects were top-notch! The movie was enjoyable and did not drag like part 1. I have never read the books so I have no idea how fateful to them it was. I will say I prefer the one with sting in it better probably because it was the first exposure to dune for me.

 

[thribs]

It was pretty good. I’m glad WB didn't make it a tax write off.
It’s a bit overly long and I would have liked to see more of the Emperor and the Princess. The battle of the end could also been longer. I was looking forward to that the most and they sort of rushed through it.
I’ll give it a good 7.5/10

 

[fireproof78]

I’m glad WB did make it a tax write off.

That's a trick given it was released. Double dipping money streams, WB

 

[Fantasy Lover]

- this movie is long but thankfully doesn't feel long
- the music was too loud for my liking, it was like watching Inception again, but then again they have the same composer
- it has a few minutes of movie in black and white which was confusing and

Spoiler: minor nitpicking

the fight between Rabban and Gunrey was disappointing because it was short

 

[JoeZhang]

Spoiler

she fights against the more fundamentalist direction many Fremen have because she realizes it's a planted legend to control the Fremen.

Just to be clear -

Spoiler

many of them know this - it's made clear in dialogue earlier. She's just trying to get northerners in particular to remember what they already knew.

 

[Starscream2112]

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- it has a few minutes of movie in black and white which was confusing and

I noticed that there was a digital readout that was in the bottom corner that was in color. Blue I think. So I was wondering if was seen as some kind of broadcast?

 

[thribs]

Two movies in and we still haven’t seen any Guild Navigators. They haven’t really shown why the spice is so valuable

 

[The Wormhole]

The books didn't introduce Guild Navigators until Dune Messiah.

 

[thribs]

The books didn't introduce Guild Navigators until Dune Messiah.

They can change things around. Its not like this movie is 100% faithful to the novel.

 

[fireproof78]

A thing is valuable if people are willing to fight and die for it.

 

[wayoung]

I rated it an A.

There were a lot of changes I was not expecting. I think most of them worked extremely well as part of adapting dense lore into a movie. None sacrificed the over arching themes of the book.

I don't agree with all the changes, but the two biggest of all, Alia, and the increased focus on the war, were well done and fit the different medium. Even if the timeline becomes super fuzzy because of them.

I still think there's a better adaptation of the book out there. Something absolutely mind blowing. This isn't it, but this is still damn good.

I'll post more specific thoughts later.

 

[saddestmoon]

I noticed that there was a digital readout that was in the bottom corner that was in color. Blue I think. So I was wondering if was seen as some kind of broadcast?

The blue readout was digital detail on the binoculars Lady Fenring was viewing through - and were also the natural conditions the ‘outdoors’ were viewed to the naked eye.

I think it was the sun causing the effect - as those black n white / grayscale scenes were of the outdoors - under the sunlight - and we’re apparently filmed in UV.

So what we are watching is not a stylistic effect, rather the light of the nearby star oversaturating all colour on the planet.

 

[Mage]

All I can say is, as a fan of the original novel this was an adaption I thoroughly enjoyed. Ofcourse it's not 100% faithful to the book, but that's impossible for almost any novel of this size. I'm very happy with what we got, and actually enjoyed some of the changes made.

 

[wayoung]

That's about it, everything in between is completely changed or rather parts that the book doesn't go into too much detail are completely rewritten or expanded upon by Villeneuve (for example there is an expanded scene where Paul basically takes control of the Fremen after he becomes the Kwisatz Haderach by using the legend and his new powers of clairvoyance to fire up the worship if his person to new heights).

He took that scene from Messiah.

Spoiler

When Paul is blinded and the Naibs want to exile him to the desert.

He moved it to here. It was quite effective.

The books didn't introduce Guild Navigators until Dune Messiah.

They are kinda in the first book. It is revealed that the Guild Agents with the Emperor are navigators when Paul attacks and one loses his contact hiding his blue in blue eyes, and then tells the Emperor he is unable to see what the outcome will be. Then he negotiates with Paul the Guilds surrender and Paul's ascension to the throne.

Messiah reveals Edric, a full Guild Navigator and Steersman.

The implication being that Guild Navigators that are still visibly human are used as their agents/representatives when needed until they transform to the point it can no longer be hidden.

Villeneuve removed the entire subplot about the guilds reliance on spice being a secret to everyone except possibly the Emperor and then removed the guild from the climax to give a political reason for the Jihad to start right away and for Paul to allow it (Great Houses refusing to acknowledge him).

One of the few major changes he made that I did not agree with. I think it weakened the movie. But it did cut down on lore and make it more easily accessible to audiences.