Poll Rank the Picard Seasons

[Citiprime]

So people who don't like it can't make good stories?

Ken Russell was a great director and filmmaker, but he made Exorcist II after having told the studio he HATED the first movie directed by William Friedkin.

And most people think the second movie is one of the worst sequels ever made, since it comes at the material from a totally different direction and attempts something which went against the audience's expectations of what they were buying a ticket to see.

 

[fireproof78]

Ken Russell was a great director and filmmaker, but he made Exorcist II after having told the studio he HATED the first movie directed by William Friedkin.

Except I didn't say "hate." I said "don’t like."

 

[evilchumlee]

3 / 1 / 2

Although overall, I found the series to be largely fantastic... coming from someone who doesn't particularly love the vast majority of nuTrek.

Season 3 is one of the best seasons of any Trek. I absolutely adore Season 3 and wish the whole series was that and that we got more of it. I usually have issues with everything, I can pick apart and dissect and find things but... S3 is damn near perfection.

Season 1 was good, I enjoyed it. It had it's issues, but overall I was happy with it.

Season 2 is razor thin close to Season 1. I know alot of people really hated S2, but I enjoyed it, especially since it didn't do the normal Trek thing and try to just... ignore anything previously established about the present day. It actually did feel like... Star Trek 2024, not necessarily just "Now 2024". Again, not perfect, some issues here and there but by and large was good and I think it actually did the most of the show to really take a deep dive into Picard as a person, why he is the way he is and what not. I was also happy they took the time to develop Maurice, and make him deeper than "Picard's asshole dad". There was a reason for it all.

The biggest gripe with PIC is mostly that the three seasons didn't really have much to do with each other, despite being a long-format show. Although a common gripe i'm ok with was not revisiting the anomaly from S2... it doesn't actually matter what it was. That really wasn't the point. It was a MacGuffin to make the story happen that had to happen because of MacGuffin. My only REAL gripe with it was that Q implied that the whole thing was Picard's fault... but in the end, it... wasn't? Actually quite the opposite, being Picard's actions in the past that actively save the future? I do think they could have spent a bit more time in the 25th century and condensed the 2024 stuff down a bit. But, details.

 

[aquova]

My personal ranking would be

- Season 3
Insert large gap here
- Season 1
- I waiting until Season 2 completed to watch it all at once, but the reviews were so awful I never did

One of these days I've been meaning to sit down and rank all of the different seasons of all the shows in a big list... Maybe someday.

 

[urbandk]

1 / 3 / 2

I really didn't like season 3 that much, just kinda felt like too much TNG fanfic without many new ideas.

However, season 2 never delivered on the promise of the premise. Some of that was covid, but it took a really cool ensemble cast it inherited from season 1 and flushed all the characters down the toilet. Just totally frustrating.

Season 1 at least tried for something really big and cool and real but just belly flopped at the end.

 

[Mudd]

The first five episodes of season one were good.

That's it.

 

[Uhura's Song]

If the ending to S1 hadn't sucked (despite the nice scene with Data) I MIGHT go there.

People, the series is called PICARD. Not Rios. Not Soji. Anyone who thought it would end without dealing with TNG cast was delusional from jump.

 

[urbandk]

If the ending to S1 hadn't sucked (despite the nice scene with Data) I MIGHT go there.

People, the series is called PICARD. Not Rios. Not Soji. Anyone who thought it would end without dealing with TNG cast was delusional from jump.

A big part of that issue was Stewart's navel-gazing and obstinance.

 

[Tosk]

Anyone who thought it would end without dealing with TNG cast was delusional from jump.

Tell Patrick that.

 

[fireproof78]

People, the series is called PICARD. Not Rios. Not Soji. Anyone who thought it would end without dealing with TNG cast was delusional from jump.

That didn't stop the rampant speculation on who might show up, cameos, or guests as well as the expectation that the TNG crew must reunite.

And, well, Season 3 proved them right, and doubled down, insisting that the ENT-D is the peak Picard time, and his glory days.

Maybe Season 1 wasn't to people's liking but it moved the character forward.

 

[Qonundrum]

It's extremely hard for me to have an objective opinion about the seasons of Star Trek: Picard, because I pretty much felt that PIC as a whole was complete and utter shit, and was nothing more than a glorified vanity project for Stewart and Spiner, just like every single TNG film was. It would be easier for me to pick out random things from each season that I actually liked, rather than judge the seasons as a whole.

PIC3 took elements from the 90s flicks and made them better, tying up dumb loose ends because the 90s flicks were more about the party flair, etc.

Season 1: I liked the design of the Wallenberg class transports; the subtle callback to the AGT communicators; Cristobal Rios and his holograms; Elnor; the ultimate fate of B4; seeing Chateau Picard; the legacy of Picard's Irumodic syndrome; Data's much better death than what he had in Nemesis, and Picard dying. Everything else was crap.

I kept thinking Irumodic Syndrome was a machanation by Q?

Season 2: I loved the new Stargazer, and that Rios was its captain; I liked the new diversity in starships although I didn't like the choices of the STO designs they used; I enjoyed seeing John DeLancie again although his portrayal of Q left me wanting; and I liked seeing James Callis but again I was not thrilled about the character he was portraying nor the retcon about his relationship with his wife. Everything else was crap.

Trek, starting with TMP if not TWOK, was about different starship designs. TOS had little option but to reuse the same model and slap on different lettering decals.

DeLancie is never less than first rate. Agreed on the misfires being craptacular at times...

Season 3: I enjoyed the return of the TNG cast, despite most of them acting out of character; I thought Shaw was a good character despite some flaws; I liked Geordi's daughters; and I really liked Ed Speleers' performance despite him being much older than the age Jack Crusher should have been. I liked seeing the Enterprise-A, the Voyager, the Defiant, the NX-01 refit and a TOS Connie in the Starfleet Museum, although all the other ships there were disappointing. Everything else was crap.

Out of character? Maybe Geordi, but at least he found someone, but it's not impossible. Sydney in particular is a terrific new character. Beverly wielding a gun was under surely appropriate circumstances?

The museum is integral to the plot, but was too on-screen specific, apart from one ship.

Still not used to "Connie" instead of "Constitution" for the class name. Sounds like the sort of diminutive slang that PIC is loaded with for everything else, like "tech" but even so far as using "XB", "JL", "EIEIO", etc...

 

[evilchumlee]

Still not used to "Connie" instead of "Constitution" for the class name. Sounds like the sort of diminutive slang that PIC is loaded with for everything else, like "tech" but even so far as using "XB", "JL", "EIEIO", etc...

Oh man, you would hate the Star Trek Online lingo of Connie, Donnie, and Konnie... (original Constitution, Discovery Constitution and Kelvin Constitution)

 

[Dukhat]

PIC3 took elements from the 90s flicks and made them better, tying up dumb loose ends because the 90s flicks were more about the party flair, etc

Actually, PIC was made up of elements from both the TNG films and DSC.

I kept thinking Irumodic Syndrome was a machanation by Q?

No. AGT showed that Picard had the disease the entire time. It was not made up by Q.

Trek, starting with TMP if not TWOK, was about different starship designs. TOS had little option but to reuse the same model and slap on different lettering decals.

Not quite. The original idea for TWOK was to have the Reliant be the same class as the Enterprise. Because this would have confused the audience as to which ship was which, they opted to have a new model built. But it wasn't like they wanted to build it. They even considered refurbishing the unused Phase II model, but again it would have looked too much like the Enterprise from a distance.

DeLancie is never less than first rate. Agreed on the misfires being craptacular at times...

Yes, he is first rate. But a shitty script is a shitty script.

Out of character?...Beverly wielding a gun was under surely appropriate circumstances

The gun wasn't the issue. Beverly having a kid with Picard, not telling him or any of her other crewmates (who were basically her best friends), and then disappearing for twenty years for no real good reason, seems completely out of character for Crusher. Did she even tell Wesley that he now has a brother, and Jean-Luc's the dad?

The museum is integral to the plot, but was too on-screen specific, apart from one ship.

Aside from the examples I quoted, the museum was a complete letdown.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

There's a phrase that fans hate which describes behaviour in real life.
"People change".

Again. Fans hate this phrase.

 

[Dukhat]

There's a phrase that fans hate which describes behaviour in real life.
"People change".

Again. Fans hate this phrase.

Because the only way a fictional character can change is if the writer makes those changes. And if those changes don’t make sense, it’s because the writer sucks at his job.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Because the only way a fictional character can change is if the writer makes those changes. And if those changes don’t make sense, it’s because the writer sucks at his job.

Which is 100% subjective and not fair to say a writer "sucks" simply for disagreeing.

Again. Some fans hate that people can change. And are kinda mean about it, apparently.

 

[Dukhat]

Which is 100% subjective and not fair to say a writer "sucks" simply for disagreeing.

Again. Some fans hate that people can change. And are kinda mean about it, apparently.

That’s why fans should never have a say as to what gets produced. Because, ohmygosh, no two fans think alike. That’s not news.

 

[Farscape One]

That’s why fans should never have a say as to what gets produced. Because, ohmygosh, no two fans think alike. That’s not news.

While I mostly agree with this statement, if a fan of the franchise was not allowed to get a say in what's produced, we never would have had people like Ronald D. Moore helping to create things in the franchise.

 

[Dukhat]

While I mostly agree with this statement, if a fan of the franchise was not allowed to get a say in what's produced, we never would have had people like Ronald D. Moore helping to create things in the franchise.

Actually, what I meant was that producers, showrunners, etc. should not be listening to fans telling them what they should be making, because no two fans will think alike about what’s great and what sucks.

I thought PIC as a whole sucked. Other fans loved it. And that’s fine. But I can subjectively and coherently point out why I thought it sucked without making things personal or poking fun at those other fans who liked the show.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

That’s why fans should never have a say as to what gets produced. Because, ohmygosh, no two fans think alike. That’s not news.

It's not news that 2 fans think differently. It's how some verbalize that by attacking the talent of a writer. Which comes across as mean spirited.
Not liking something by a writer does not mean they suck is the point you keep missing.