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Poll Rank the Picard Seasons

Rank the Picard seasons from Best to Worst

  • 1/2/3

    Votes: 11 7.4%
  • 1/3/2

    Votes: 32 21.5%
  • 2/1/3

    Votes: 3 2.0%
  • 2/3/1

    Votes: 1 0.7%
  • 3/1/2

    Votes: 82 55.0%
  • 3/2/1

    Votes: 20 13.4%

  • Total voters
    149
3, 1, 2

Although the margin for me between S3 and S1 is razor-thin.

I am the same. They are basically equal to me, except that the TNG reunion in season 3 was just so good for me personally. Both seasons also had their faults, but they were things I can very easily live with. Season two had a great start, but just went nowhere. The last episode redeemed itself with the very emotional scenes between Picard and Q, but it wasn't enough to save a disappointing season.
 
3/1/2

The Picard series will always feel like a missed opportunity for me. If only they had started out with Season 3. Trek would be in a better place right now. Bits of season 1 were decent, but season 2 I found truly difficult to watch.
 
Hell, if Nemesis was the last we'd seen of the 24th Century, I wouldn't have been excited about seeing another "TNG Movie" either. PIC Season 1 got me interested again: first in re-watching the whole of TNG for the first time since high school; and second in being interested in seeing One Final Adventure with the Enterprise-D.

So, I can relate to Patrick Stewart.
 
In the end, I never wanted Picard to feel like a TNG reunion. If we were going to revisit those characters, I wanted to see how their lives had changed and how that had changed them, much as we got with JL (chosen deliberately because I know it will tweak some people :p ) in S1, not just bring the band back together. S3 did better than I thought it might in that regard, but I'm still happier with S1's aspirations, even if it fell short of them, than I am with S3 going for arguably the path of least resistance, especially at the expense of so much of what S1 and S2 built. It reminds of the way Rise of Skywalker either deliberately or inadvertently undermined so much of what The Last Jedi had built.
 
^I'm a little surprised by that myself and would be curious to hear from folks who voted in that way...though I will say the Borg Queen performance is a high point, and the season isn't entirely without merit.
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S3 did better than I thought it might in that regard, but I'm still happier with S1's aspirations, even if it fell short of them, than I am with S3 going for arguably the path of least resistance, especially at the expense of so much of what S1 and S2 built. It reminds of the way Rise of Skywalker either deliberately or inadvertently undermined so much of what The Last Jedi had built.
I think you already answered your own question. TLJ much like PS1 is highly polarizing by design. It really pleases some people, while really pissing off others. What some would call the path of least resistance, others would call baseline Star Trek.

PS2 is the one I'd somewhat compare to RoS... a bit of a muddled mess with too many cooks in the kitchen, but already trying to move away from some divisive decisions.

Sadly Star Wars didn't get its PICARD season 3. Despite how grimdark and bloodthirsty it was, at least PS1 wasn't killing off legacy main characters, and instead had to settle with recurring guest stars.
 
I am shocked, shocked that nobody thinks S2 was the best of the series thus far! :p

I'm not. It's the worst season in the entire franchise, TAS included.

My vote was season 3 was the best, then season 1, and obviously dead last is season 2.

Season 1's saving graces were we got to see more about Romulan culture (about damn time!), Seven, and the goodbye between Picard and Data.
 
I really liked seeing Hugh again (and played by the same actor!) and disappointed that as with so many secondary characters he got offed. But the ex-Borg in general I found an interesting concept.
 
It reminds of the way Rise of Skywalker either deliberately or inadvertently undermined so much of what The Last Jedi had built.
I'm a fan of the original Alien movies. All four of them. Including Alien 3. What's Alien 3 infamous for? Undoing the family unit built up at the end of Aliens and sending Ripley crash-landing on a Prison Planet. Total opposite of what I'm sure most people expected a third Alien movie to be. But I like that they shook it up.

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan undid the end of Star Trek: The Motion Picture and had Kirk back to wanting the Enterprise again after he already got it back in the previous movie. Doesn't mean I don't like both TMP and TWOK.

I like seeing different approaches, and I don't expect incoming creators to stick with what the outgoing creators have. I'm of the belief that they have to make it their own. As long as it's either just as good or better, I'm not going to complain. If it isn't as good, I will complain. But I'm not married to one creative vision.

I disagree with Data wanting to basically commit suicide at the end of PIC Season 1. He wasn't in danger, he just wanted to end his existence. "He didn't want to be immortal!" Hardware breaks down. No matter where he was stored, it would've broken down eventually. It would be just as true in the 25th Century as it is in the 21st.

As far as Riker and Troi, I think they could've handled things better in Season 3 but they originally joined Starfleet in the first place because they wanted to go into space. People who want to go into space don't want to live in a house in the middle of nowhere, they want to be in the stars. They moved down to that planet because of Thaddeus. Otherwise, they still would've been in space and probably still would've been in Starfleet. I see Riker and Troi living on the planet they were on in S1 as not living "happily ever after" but living in grief. They'd never completely get over it, but they eventually have to get on with it. Living the rest of your life in grief isn't healthy. After a certain point they'd want to move out of the grieving stage and with Kestra in the Academy, they're left to themselves in a place where they were grieving. It makes sense to me that they'd want to get back out into space. The writers could've handled it better than "That place was so lame!", but I can see what they were trying to do.
 
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Hell, if Nemesis was the last we'd seen of the 24th Century, I wouldn't have been excited about seeing another "TNG Movie" either. PIC Season 1 got me interested again: first in re-watching the whole of TNG for the first time since high school; and second in being interested in seeing One Final Adventure with the Enterprise-D.

So, I can relate to Patrick Stewart.

I get where you're coming from, I do, but ultimately, S1 was really a continuation of the Nemesis storyline. The movie was referenced and it kind of had to do that to bring back Data. Only to then finally kill him. Sorta. But not really.

I was saddened that they did what Star Wars did to begin with, which is to make the main characters sadder and kind of pathetic. Riker and Troi were at least together, but were blighted by tragedy and Picard was reduced, diminished and dis-respected. I wish that Stewart had less influence on S1, just like Insurrection and Nemesis, his input made the end product worse.

If I was the show runner for S1, I'd have followed not just Picard, but the other characters from TNG. Then gradually they'd all come together to face a problem. I'd have steered clear of the Borg and tried to show a strange new world/threat to humanity that only the TNG crew could solve. I'd have wanted the crew not to solve the problems with phasers and space battles, but with Science and Diplomacy, just like they used to in the old days. And though I rate Season 3 highest, parts of it were still dumb, but at least it was fun dumb for the most part.
 
1, 3, 2

A factor in coming to this decision is imagining if the roles were reversed.

If the PIC characters were in the role of the TNG characters and PIC antagonists in S3. The seasons till turns out the way it does. I could see Rios in the Shaw role if he had several more years of command under his belt. Jurati in the Geordi role at the Fleet Museum and having some sort of close relationship with Sydney. Elnor in the Worf role working for Starfleet Intelligence as a seasoned veteran and working with Raffi. Soji in the Beverly role (or even Teresa from S2 in the Beverly role if she was brought to the future) being hunted by Changelings with Jack being a part of the crew (or Ricardo all grown up). And I could see Commodore Oh or Narek or Narissa in the Vadic role working with Changelings and the Borg. I can even see Hugh in Ro’s position and sacrificing himself.

Now, imagining if the TNG characters and PIC S3 antagonists were in the role of the PIC S1 characters, its a much harder sell to me. I can’t see Geordi complaining about having to finding Data’s daughter and calling her “that fucking synth.” Or inducing cardiac arrest on Bruce Maddox. Or Geordi overdosing on noranium hydrade to remove a viridium tracker he was order to eat from the head of Starfleet Security, who turns out to be the antagonist; he’s too smart and seasoned for that. I can’t see Picard chastising Worf for beheading a Romulan on Vashti after all these years together and Worf just accepting it. I can’t see there being a planet of android clones of Beverly Crusher, and these clones being hunted down by Romulans, Changelings, or Borg, though android clones of Beverly Crusher would make for an interesting premise at first. And I struggle to imagine Ro being shot on the Borg cube and having a pointless death, perhaps the most pointless in the entire franchise.

Now I could kind of see Shaw in Rios’s role (more with his relationship with Jurati and staying behind in the 21st century to find a new purpose and calling someone a puta madre (in English of course ;)), less with the smoking of cigars and the La Sirena holograms). And Vadic in either Oh’s role as an infiltrator of Starfleet and Zhat Vash, or in Narek’s role. Or even emulating Hugh’s role at the Borg Reclamation project. But again, it’s a hard sell

That reflects on how only the PIC characters could do S1, and how anyone could have done S3. That's why originality matters. Certain stories can only be told by certain characters.
 
I'm not. It's the worst season in the entire franchise, TAS included.

My vote was season 3 was the best, then season 1, and obviously dead last is season 2.

Season 1's saving graces were we got to see more about Romulan culture (about damn time!), Seven, and the goodbye between Picard and Data.
Damn straight.
 
1, 3, 2

A factor in coming to this decision is imagining if the roles were reversed.

If the PIC characters were in the role of the TNG characters and PIC antagonists in S3. The seasons till turns out the way it does. I could see Rios in the Shaw role if he had several more years of command under his belt. Jurati in the Geordi role at the Fleet Museum and having some sort of close relationship with Sydney. Elnor in the Worf role working for Starfleet Intelligence as a seasoned veteran and working with Raffi. Soji in the Beverly role (or even Teresa from S2 in the Beverly role if she was brought to the future) being hunted by Changelings with Jack being a part of the crew (or Ricardo all grown up). And I could see Commodore Oh or Narek or Narissa in the Vadic role working with Changelings and the Borg. I can even see Hugh in Ro’s position and sacrificing himself.

Now, imagining if the TNG characters and PIC S3 antagonists were in the role of the PIC S1 characters, its a much harder sell to me. I can’t see Geordi complaining about having to finding Data’s daughter and calling her “that fucking synth.” Or inducing cardiac arrest on Bruce Maddox. Or Geordi overdosing on noranium hydrade to remove a viridium tracker he was order to eat from the head of Starfleet Security, who turns out to be the antagonist; he’s too smart and seasoned for that. I can’t see Picard chastising Worf for beheading a Romulan on Vashti after all these years together and Worf just accepting it. I can’t see there being a planet of android clones of Beverly Crusher, and these clones being hunted down by Romulans, Changelings, or Borg, though android clones of Beverly Crusher would make for an interesting premise at first. And I struggle to imagine Ro being shot on the Borg cube and having a pointless death, perhaps the most pointless in the entire franchise.

Now I could kind of see Shaw in Rios’s role (more with his relationship with Jurati and staying behind in the 21st century to find a new purpose and calling someone a puta madre (in English of course ;)), less with the smoking of cigars and the La Sirena holograms). And Vadic in either Oh’s role as an infiltrator of Starfleet and Zhat Vash, or in Narek’s role. Or even emulating Hugh’s role at the Borg Reclamation project. But again, it’s a hard sell

That reflects on how only the PIC characters could do S1, and how anyone could have done S3. That's why originality matters. Certain stories can only be told by certain characters.

I'm not really sure I'm on board with much of this, but pretty much anyone else allying themselves with the Borg would seem to make more sense than the rogue Changelings doing so (though I'm relieved it wasn't the Founders). What was Vadic hoping to get out of this partnership? Did she have any idea what she was dealing with? Did she even know she was allied with the Borg?

Here's a story idea that might have worked better (this is off the top of my head): the Borg have assimilated the lover of some sort of key scientist, but have offered to unassimilate the lover if the scientist does what they want.

Another thing that kind of irked me about S3...as nice as it was to see DS9 elements appear in the show to this degree, when Vadic was blown out the ship I would have been much happier to see her shapeshift into a cosmozoan and then either somehow be destroyed by Titan or escape, and perhaps do something to try to either help or harm the Borg in the final episode. I guess we can argue that the alterations made to the changelings made them unable to survive in a vacuum, but it was still not very satisfying.
 
What was Vadic hoping to get out of this partnership? Did she have any idea what she was dealing with? Did she even know she was allied with the Borg?
Revenge and no.

The Borg Queen capitalized on the need for revenge against the solids.
 
I'm not really sure I'm on board with much of this, but pretty much anyone else allying themselves with the Borg would seem to make more sense than the rogue Changelings doing so (though I'm relieved it wasn't the Founders). What was Vadic hoping to get out of this partnership? Did she have any idea what she was dealing with? Did she even know she was allied with the Borg?

At least if Commodore Oh allied with the Borg, there’s a case to make she’s a hypocrite, seeing as she’d be allying with beings that are partly synthetic. Despite her statee goal to wipe out synthetic life.

I think part of the reason the Changeling alliance with the Borg is random is that the Borg never interacted with the Changelings at all on DS9 or VOY. Aside from using the Federation greatest enemy, there’s not much going on there. She may have well time travelled and retrieved Khan from the past. Forget that, she may as well shapeshifted into Khan, or Kruge or whoever, and try to fool the Federation that he’s still alive and back for revenge.

Another thing that kind of irked me about S3...as nice as it was to see DS9 elements appear in the show to this degree, when Vadic was blown out the ship I would have been much happier to see her shapeshift into a cosmozoan and then either somehow be destroyed by Titan or escape, and perhaps do something to try to either help or harm the Borg in the final episode. I guess we can argue that the alterations made to the changelings made them unable to survive in a vacuum, but it was still not very satisfying.

They probably did not have the budget to turn Vadic into a cosmozoan, even though it would make a lot of sense to do. Matalas already said they didn’t have the money bring in Kira, Harry Kim and others for S3.
 
I supposed they could have taken inspiration of mirror Phlox freezing a Tholian to death in decon chamber in IAMD, and freeze the Changelings in a lab.

Now that I think about it, if the Changeling had attempted to assimilate Armus, and it backfired, there could have been Armus the comsozoan.

Now that would have been terrifying! :eek:
 
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and more importantly as though it wouldn't even work based on past evidence.
These changelings were genetically modified. We've never seen their kind before this season.
The ability to mimic solid better seems to have made them weaker.
 
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