Picard film in development

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Why wouldn't I? Why should I have expected a "Picard" spin-off?

Because that's what history and the majority demand has been showing? To ignore that is to ignore what's more than likely next?
There's one thing to hope for something. You obviously hope for something new, and that's super cool! But there's another thing to set expectations based on ignoring the data that's out there.

 

[fireproof78]

Fan expectations are all built around ignoring data. This is not new

 

[evilchumlee]

However, the message received seems to be something like Picard Season 3.

One thing about the current era of Trek, they *HAVE* largely been responsive to fan reactions.

People had gripes about the setting of Discovery, they addressed it.
People had gripes about the Klingons in Discovery, they addressed it.
People expressed interest in more Pike, they gave us more Pike.
Despite Picard coming out and saying it wasn't going to be a TNG reunion, fans expressed interest in a TNG reunion, they gave us a TNG reunion.
They cancelled Prodigy, fans wanted more Prodigy, they found a way to give us more Prodigy.

Kurtzman is listening. Hell while i'm not particularly stoked for it, fans I do think largely reacted well to Section 31, so, we're getting Section 31. Starfleet Academy is something of a wild card, although there have been several aborted attempts to get an Academy series for like, 30 years.

The predominant fan reaction at the moment is... more Picard S3. So yes, if they follow their current pattern, we should be getting something similar when the production schedule allows. Might be awhile though, with SNW S3, Section 31, and Starfleet Academy in the works. Paramount probably doesn't have room in their production schedule to take on something like that yet. MAYBE after SNW S3 and Section 31 wrap, they would have room to add in another movie-type production.

Just with budgets in mind, it would make financial sense to do something like Legacy, if not Legacy. They have costumes, props, sets, etc. all prebuilt and ready to go. Hell, they also have the resource of Star Trek Online, pumping out ship models and such for them that can apparently... and surprisingly... be adapted for on screen use.

 

[Danja]

The franchise will not. The overwhelming word of mouth, loud voices, are expressing strong interest in some sort of follow up. So, the spin-off idea will be something connected to Picard.

Sir Patrick wants a Picard movie (Not another TNG movie. He did eight years and four feature films with TNG).

How connected is unknown and I would hope closer to something like 20 years in to the future with a new ship, new crew, new captain, no connections to the past to move things ahead a little.

So this would make JLP 117 years old.

 

[fireproof78]

So this would make JLP 117 years old.

*squints in Dr. McCoy *

ETA:

Sir Patrick wants a Picard movie (Not another TNG movie. He did eight years and four feature films with TNG).

To expand on this I completely get why this will be a thing. I understand the pattern and the flow. There is no value judgment from me, for or against, Legacy or a Picard connected spin off. As with all Trek products, I expect it to stand or fall on its own.

More my musing comes down to a juxtaposition of a production team saying "This is a story I want to tell" vs. "This is a story the audience is demanding. One feels quite natural, while the other feels very fan service. And, I will always treat fan service motivation with skepticism.

Mileage will vary.

 

[Danja]

Just with budgets in mind, it would make financial sense to do something like Legacy, if not Legacy. They have costumes, props, sets, etc. all prebuilt and ready to go.

It depends upon where they film it.

They filmed Picard at Santa Clarita Studios (which is just outside of L.A.).

Hell, they also have the resource of Star Trek Online, pumping out ship models and such for them that can apparently... and surprisingly... be adapted for on screen use.

This would be the Frontier Day fleet if the users of Star Trek Online were allowed to name the ships.

Some of them are hysterical! (InvalidEntityName, USS Bebop, USS Porkchop Express, USS Deep Dish Pizza, USS Lollipop)

 

[Dukhat]

One thing about the current era of Trek, they *HAVE* largely been responsive to fan reactions.

People had gripes about the setting of Discovery, they addressed it.
People had gripes about the Klingons in Discovery, they addressed it.
People expressed interest in more Pike, they gave us more Pike.
Despite Picard coming out and saying it wasn't going to be a TNG reunion, fans expressed interest in a TNG reunion, they gave us a TNG reunion.
They cancelled Prodigy, fans wanted more Prodigy, they found a way to give us more Prodigy.

The 'they' who found a way to give us more Prodigy are not the same people as the 'they' who cancelled it, FYI.

Kurtzman is listening. Hell while i'm not particularly stoked for it, fans I do think largely reacted well to Section 31, so, we're getting Section 31.

That is not true.

Just with budgets in mind, it would make financial sense to do something like Legacy, if not Legacy. They have costumes, props, sets, etc. all prebuilt and ready to go. Hell, they also have the resource of Star Trek Online, pumping out ship models and such for them that can apparently... and surprisingly... be adapted for on screen use.

Use of the STO assets was a cost-saving measure. And most of those ships are awful. I would rather they come up with something new, but if the Titan-A is any indication, I'm not holding my breath. And I have zero interest in seeing Captain Seven of Nine on the Enterprise-G.

 

[Danja]

I have zero interest in seeing Captain Seven of Nine on the Enterprise-G.

I feel the same way about Starfleet Academy.

 

[FederationHistorian]

It would be a super deep cut, but do the follow up to TNG "Conspiracy"? But even then... it's basically just PIC S3, just sub-out Changelings for parasites. We already did that, too.


I'm just truly at a loss for what this movie would BE. If this was back in the time of TNG releasing movies just because, I would say... Mirror Universe Picard, because why not... but... hell we kind of did that TOO!


Perhaps better if the movie is something of a fakeout and not actually a "Picard" movie and takes the form of more of a "90's Trek sendoff", but even then... Janeways big adversary was the Borg. We did it. Sisko was the Dominion. We did it.

The one adversary that connects ‘90s Trek that was never dealt with was the Maquis. Yes, there was an issue with the Federation moving settlers that was INS. But not the Maquis directly. And I’d imagine that such a plot would involve the surviving - and face it, vengeful - Maquis setting out to destroy Cardassia, the Dominion, or both. Likely with some sort of Genesis Device.

It would be far more interesting if the Ent-D crew found a long-lost Maquis colony in the Gamma Quadrant that they have to protect from a previously unknown species, but I know how the writers are with their constant TWOK callbacks.

Why would Kamala do a heel turn like that? Three's no REASON for her to become a villain.

What if it was combined with “Conspiracy”? So, one of the blue gill parasites would have managed to get to her, and it would not be such a random heel turn. And then they use her empathic abilities against Picard.

The one silver lining with using Kamala is that maybe it would allow for a focus on archelogy, due to the shared interest of her and Picard. So they race to find a long lost artefact or archeological site.

But I’m just brainstorming here.

I think it should be a Geordi movie, with Leah Brahms as the villain.

Bonus would be holographic Leah Brahms turned evil, a'la Moriarty

It would definitely be a fresh idea, but there need to be a Picard connection.

And the only connection I can think of is she holds a specific grudge against Picard for the Destruction of Mars, as she lost family, friend and colleagues there. Even then, after the events of PIC S1, her grudge should be towards Commodore Oh/General Nadar and Zhat Vash. And if she turned into a space racist in that time, then Romulans in general.

Though Geordi supposedly lost friends on Mars as well, at least according to The Last Best Hope, so it could be a mirror reflection of how they responded to that event.

Maybe Brahms kidnapped Elnor between S2 & S3?

 

[evilchumlee]

Use of the STO assets was a cost-saving measure. And most of those ships are awful. I would rather they come up with something new, but if the Titan-A is any indication, I'm not holding my breath. And I have zero interest in seeing Captain Seven of Nine on the Enterprise-G.

I feel kind of the opposite. Most of the "new" stuff they've been coming up with is godawful. They only stuff that's actually decent is when it leans on something pre-established.

I would also like some new stuff, but not the way they've been doing new stuff.

 

[HotRod]

I feel kind of the opposite. Most of the "new" stuff they've been coming up with is godawful. They only stuff that's actually decent is when it leans on something pre-established.

I would also like some new stuff, but not the way they've been doing new stuff.

In my humble opinion, the only truly attractive Starfleet ship they introduced in Picard was the Intrepid. It looks how I expected a 25th century Starship to look, while still being unique and interesting.

The Titan, while a beautiful 23rd century design by the master Bill Krause, still doesn't work for me as a 25th century ship.

The Excelsior II design is rather hideous, in my opinion. While the Stargazer looks overly complicated in it's design.

The copy/paste fleet design from season one it's rather generic and dull, and pretty much everything else is just Star Trek online designs. The less said about them, the better.

 

[evilchumlee]

In my humble opinion, the only truly attractive Starfleet ship they introduced in Picard was the Intrepid. It looks how I expected a 25th century Starship to look, while still being unique and interesting.

I always appreciate different perspectives. It's funny... I thought the Intrepid was the worst looking ship introduced. It just looks... weird, trying alittle too hard to be different.

The Titan, while a beautiful 23rd century design by the master Bill Krause, still doesn't work for me as a 25th century ship.

The Excelsior II design is rather hideous, in my opinion. While the Stargazer looks overly complicated in it's design.

Perhaps all valid criticisms. I think the Excelsior II looks good. Connie III does look rather 23rd centuryish, although I think it was the intent. There's a clear design philosophy in that era to harken back to the 23rd century.

The copy/paste fleet design from season one it's rather generic and dull, and pretty much everything else is just Star Trek online designs. The less said about them, the better.

The Inquiry itself is a good looking ship, but yes the copy/paste fleet was lazy.

I don't take the grim view of the STO ship designs. I think, by and large, they look good. There's a few duds, but overall I think they do a good job of looking like what 25th century Starfleet ships should look like.

They tend to look different enough, while still not (usually) going into some bizarre design just for the sake of being different. It's certainly an improvement over everything in Discovery S1 and 2 (I think they start some getting some neat designs in 3 and 4). Aside from the Nimitz... I actually really like the DSC Nimitz.

Even still though, even if they don't use the STO specific designs... which there's really no reason not to... cost saving measures are likely to be incredibly important for Trek going forward, and there's a trove of apparently easily converted assets to use, even if they stuck to using the more familiar 24th century stuff.

They will never be able to please everyone all the time.

 

[HotRod]

Perhaps all valid criticisms. I think the Excelsior II looks good.

She wouldn't look so bad to me if she didn't have that gargantuan neck.

Connie III does look rather 23rd centuryish,

That's because she literally is a 23rd century design. The Shangri-la, designed by Bill Krause.

It's certainly an improvement over everything in Discovery S1 and 2

I wouldn't go that far. There's some real beauties in that Discovery fleet. Especially...
The Shepard class.

The Engle class.

The Magee class.

The Malachowski class.

And the Walker Class.

All perfectly believable as ships that came between the NX-01 and the Constitution class.

 

[fireproof78]

I wouldn't go that far. There's some real beauties in that Discovery fleet. Especially...

Discovery had such a nice diversity of ship designs. The Shephard class was great, and I would put the Europa class up there as well.

 

[HotRod]

Discovery had such a nice diversity of ship designs. The Shephard class was great, and I would put the Europa class up there as well.

Oh yeah, definitely. I have a soft spot for all the Discovery ships. Including the Nimitz, Cardenas, and Hoover.

 

[evilchumlee]

That's because she literally is a 23rd century design. The Shangri-la, designed by Bill Krause.

Yeah, they eventual acknowledge it in the show.

I wouldn't go that far. There's some real beauties in that Discovery fleet. Especially...
The Shepard class.The Engle class.The Magee class.The Malachowski class.And the Walker Class.

All perfectly believable as ships that came between the NX-01 and the Constitution class.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

They're all certainly "believable", sure. I think most of them are ugly.

I like the Nimitz. I kind of like the Engle. I think most of the other ones are super ugly. The Walker looks ok. The Sheppard is almost there but... something about it just doesn't work for me. Malachowksi is just a worse looking Miranda.

The Federation ships are all way better than the Klingon ships, which are almost universally horrible. The only one I don't absolutely hate is the Sarcophogus ship. It doesn't make any sense at all thematically as a Klingon ship, but just straight visually I don't hate it.

Alot of the Discovery Fed ships have this design philosophy that mixes curves with hard angles that I really don't like. There is something of a design lineage I can see, mostly through the warp nacelles. You've got NX-01 and 1701 with similar style nacelles, and then alot of the Discovery ships have those more angular-type nacelles. The Walker throws it off alittle bit by being confirmed as quite an old ship, but more in line the with general DSC design, but not really a huge problem. The round nacelles seem to be an older design, moving the the DSC-type, evolving into the TMP-Refit type.

I kind of liked the really early teaser trailer version of the Crossfield, but not so much the actual show version.

 

[fireproof78]

The Crossfield is probably the worst ship design in Discovery.

 

[evilchumlee]

The Crossfield is probably the worst ship design in Discovery.

It's kind of crazy how the hero ship is one of the worst designs.

The Klingon BoP is the worst. I absolute despise that ship. Magee is a close second for me.

The Fed ships have grown on me over time. I still think many of them are ugly, but there's a few I appreciate. I still dislike the overall aesthetic of the show... even beyond just thinking it should look more like TOS... but some of it has grown on me.

 

[HotRod]

Magee is a close second for me.

The Magee is one of my favourites, precisely because it's kinda ugly, in the same way I think the Defiant is kinda ugly. It's just such a simple design. A saucer with a couple of nacelles run through it.

 

[fireproof78]

It's kind of crazy how the hero ship is one of the worst designs.

The Klingon BoP is the worst. I absolute despise that ship. Magee is a close second for me.

The Fed ships have grown on me over time. I still think many of them are ugly, but there's a few I appreciate. I still dislike the overall aesthetic of the show... even beyond just thinking it should look more like TOS... but some of it has grown on me.

The rest appeal to me far more than the Crossfield, and I love the Klingon designs for the diversity of ships presented.