Or treat it like TMP Klingons, its a tv show with IRL a bigger budget, improved tech and more culturally aware. Whatever you see always looked that way. Unless you think blackface Klingons and a blackface Khan should have stayed
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I'm ok with changing things... with an in-universe reason for them changing.
OR, just say it's a reboot and do whatever the hell you want and call it a day.
That's silly.
So were you upset at Gene changing the Klingons for 30 years until Enterprise made those pointless episodes explaining the head ridges?
To be more precise, I want a reason for retroactive changes.
TMP Klingons were AFTER TOS Klingons, so i'm comfortable with... "something happened" and they changed.
Going back to something that we knew how it looked like at that time and changing it, I need an explanation.
It's an inherent problem with going backwards in many works. If it keeps moving forward, changes are much easier to accept. If you go back and change something already established... that's much more of an issue.
If they really needed an in-universe explanation for the Klingon makeup changes, they could have said that Klingons change form in a cyclical nature i.e. a caterpillar to a butterfly. For a certain number of years they look like greasy-skinned humans, then change to bumpy-headed long-haired space biker gangs, then change again to hairless orcs with two penises, then back to greasy humans. Or any other changes some future ST producer decides to do with them. Just add it to the list. An inherently better concept than what ENT came up with and that DSC just ignored, and a better explanation as to why Worf didn't want to talk about it.
I liked the ENT explanation for it...
And then Discovery came and not only ignored it, but just threw the Klingons in the garbage wholesale.
And then Discovery came and not only ignored it, but just threw the Klingons in the garbage wholesale.
Well, not for most people...
Ignoring the changes are the best solutions for the make up variants, and I think explaining it is ridiculous and quite frankly insults the intelligence of the audience. Why can't Klingons look different from one another? The ENT explanation was awful but I do understand it had explain the incompetence done on DS9 where the classic TOS Klingons looked like TNG versions. It was stupid for them to do that and created a lot of problems. I'd like a scene where all variations are in a room and no one takes a moment to say anything stupid. Klingons are Klingons.
That would actually be an awesome explanation.
But yeah sure Klingons can look different from one an another. That's why they have different forehead patterns, skin tones, etc. TOS and DSC Klingons look like... an entirely different species. ENT gave us a reason for the TOS Klingons, DSC Klingons are still baffling (even to DSC and SNW... who clearly moved away from the initial design immediately).
I'm actually ok if they did just start kind of... using all of them interchangeably. Makes it weird that we only see on particular "race" at a time, but whatever.
I love PIC's answer to the Romulans... "He's a northerner", referring to the ones who just look like Vulcans. Cool. Honestly I didn't even particularly need an explanation for that, but it was cool they did it.
It created ZERO problems.
What created problems was making a new show, yet another prequel for no particular reason, just to change them again... and also for no apparent particular reason.
I can understand not making everything look like the 60's. I don't like it, but I understand it. But the Klingons... if they just used the TNG+ Klingons, it's fine. What was wrong with that makeup? Nothing. Does Worf look super dated in PIC? No. It looks fine.
ENT showed how the TNG-type Klingons became the TOS smoothead Klingons...
The DSC Klingons are just nonsense
Why?
While not being 100% on board with the art direction of the Disco Klingons, I still found them fascinating. The Klingons had certainly gotten a little stale, at least with me, and I can appreciate that Discovery actually made them feel like aliens, and not a further continuation of the viking biker gang theme. While I do like the SNW interpretation of the Klingons, which feels very TOS, I do, if only a little, miss the Discovery Klingons.
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The Trek universe is the only universe where humans can be seen as diverse. I have a head canon ENT scene where Shran meets Mayweather standing next to Archer and exclaims in shock 'You come in different colours?"
Back in the 90's when VOY joined the Trek family certain ignorant fans believed Tuvok could never be Vulcan because.....reasons.
Back in the 90's when VOY joined the Trek family certain ignorant fans believed Tuvok could never be Vulcan because.....reasons.
I agree... they were alien.
They weren't Klingon.
That's the issue.
If they were a new enemy introduced? Hell yeah! They just aren't Klingons.
The main problem with the Disco Klingons is that is that they made no consideration to the needs of the actors who would be playing them. Specifically, the costumes were so stiff and restrictive all the actors could do was stand there and the prosthetic teeth were so cumbersome that even when they were speaking English, they were still impossible to understand. Granted, this is mostly evident in the premiere, as over the course of the first two seasons various corrective measures were taken to address both issues, but it still is a very glaring issue that made me think "the hell were they thinking?" while watching the premiere.
Granted, I was never a fan of the look of the Disco Klingons either, but meh. That I can accept as personal taste and don't feel a need to contort myself into knots demanding an explanation or screaming "nOt TRue stAr TrEk!!!!!!!!!!11111111111oneoneone"
Granted, I was never a fan of the look of the Disco Klingons either, but meh. That I can accept as personal taste and don't feel a need to contort myself into knots demanding an explanation or screaming "nOt TRue stAr TrEk!!!!!!!!!!11111111111oneoneone"
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And ultimately, that's why Bryan Fuller wanted the Klingons redesigned for DIS. He wanted to make the Klingons feel more alien and more dangerous.
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