I was pretty impressed at how well they managed to wrap it all up given how little time they had to do so (15 minutes?).
Jericho 2x7: Patriots and Tyrants (Final Ep!) Rating/Discussion
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Now, I will admit that this seemed a little rushed, but I will base all of my comments on what they had to do and the time they had to do it in:
There's incredible, and then there's gifts from higher powers. This bugger was a gift. It served as one of the best series finales I've ever seen, and it also served as a damn good cliffhanger. Like the last series finale, this one was kinda slow in places and not uber-action packed like the preceeding episodes were building up to. Unlike the last series finale, though, it was not boring. They did everything extremely well. I was more upset during the Bonnie funeral scenes than I was during any of Johnston's death. Beck and his men's turncoat was awesome. I liked Gray's return, though he did get a little short changed. After he first went into his office and looked at the flag, when he turned to the camera, there was fucking fire coming out of the man's eyes. I was ready to see him light up on Beck. I was looking forward to some explination in terms of Smith and Valenti's involvement, but that's a doable thing for season three. Overall, I was extremely pleased. I can look back on my season 2 DVD's and think happily of this as a series finale, and I can look back from season three and happily look at this as a cliffhanger that did everything right except have Riker say, "Fire." Excellent cap to an excellent season. This was well worth the Nuts Rebellion.
There's incredible, and then there's gifts from higher powers. This bugger was a gift. It served as one of the best series finales I've ever seen, and it also served as a damn good cliffhanger. Like the last series finale, this one was kinda slow in places and not uber-action packed like the preceeding episodes were building up to. Unlike the last series finale, though, it was not boring. They did everything extremely well. I was more upset during the Bonnie funeral scenes than I was during any of Johnston's death. Beck and his men's turncoat was awesome. I liked Gray's return, though he did get a little short changed. After he first went into his office and looked at the flag, when he turned to the camera, there was fucking fire coming out of the man's eyes. I was ready to see him light up on Beck. I was looking forward to some explination in terms of Smith and Valenti's involvement, but that's a doable thing for season three. Overall, I was extremely pleased. I can look back on my season 2 DVD's and think happily of this as a series finale, and I can look back from season three and happily look at this as a cliffhanger that did everything right except have Riker say, "Fire." Excellent cap to an excellent season. This was well worth the Nuts Rebellion.
I thought the episode was both satisfying and left me wanting more. Not a bad way to go out, though it does leave a lot unresolved. They set the stage for an East vs West civil war and let us imagine how it goes.
How long before we see licensed fiction continuing the Jericho story?
How long before we see licensed fiction continuing the Jericho story?
A-.
I thought it was a very good finale. I found it was one of the most satisfying wrap-ups for a cancelled series. It answered most of the questions raised by the series and this season, everyone had their various moments. It also leaves you both hopeful yet with the realization what is to come won't be easy. I thought the scene of the cast pitching in to dig a grave and bury Bonnie was lovely with the sun beating down. I thought the Stanley/Mimi wedding was appropriate and felt natural for those two. Nothing more was needed.
For a while there I wasn't sure if Hawkins would make it but I was glad he pulled through. The Jake/Hawkins relationship was the absolute highlight of the series. I loved it everytime the two joined up.
It is really too bad the series won't see another season. It really was a solid series. I enjoyed it from the beginning even when people were mocking it. This is one of the few series where I actually liked all the characters and will miss them. It really would have been interesting to have seen the next phase of the series with the inevitable civil war. In a lot of ways it reminded me especially this season of DS9 and its Occupation Arc and I think with the direction things were headed it would have continued to capitalize on its multiple strengths. It felt like it was just beginning to hit its stride. There was still so much they had to work with-Beck's defection, New Bern resistance, the civil war, John Smith, Valanti etc.
I loved the surreal sight of American fighters firing on one another. I liked the writers remembered Jake was a pilot.
Overall I was satisfied with the closing images the series left us with from Gray's return and putting up the other flag, Jericho once again being a critical city in the coming war, and the final image of Jake.
I thought it was a very good finale. I found it was one of the most satisfying wrap-ups for a cancelled series. It answered most of the questions raised by the series and this season, everyone had their various moments. It also leaves you both hopeful yet with the realization what is to come won't be easy. I thought the scene of the cast pitching in to dig a grave and bury Bonnie was lovely with the sun beating down. I thought the Stanley/Mimi wedding was appropriate and felt natural for those two. Nothing more was needed.
For a while there I wasn't sure if Hawkins would make it but I was glad he pulled through. The Jake/Hawkins relationship was the absolute highlight of the series. I loved it everytime the two joined up.
It is really too bad the series won't see another season. It really was a solid series. I enjoyed it from the beginning even when people were mocking it. This is one of the few series where I actually liked all the characters and will miss them. It really would have been interesting to have seen the next phase of the series with the inevitable civil war. In a lot of ways it reminded me especially this season of DS9 and its Occupation Arc and I think with the direction things were headed it would have continued to capitalize on its multiple strengths. It felt like it was just beginning to hit its stride. There was still so much they had to work with-Beck's defection, New Bern resistance, the civil war, John Smith, Valanti etc.
I loved the surreal sight of American fighters firing on one another. I liked the writers remembered Jake was a pilot.
Overall I was satisfied with the closing images the series left us with from Gray's return and putting up the other flag, Jericho once again being a critical city in the coming war, and the final image of Jake.
I loved this episode and I really love this show. The DVDs from season 1 and 2 will gladly stand next to my Firefly and DS9 Dvds. I must say though, that in my opinion, this episode really didn't answer all that much except effectively start another American Civil War. Who really was behind he conspiracy has not been answered, was it Valente or the phone guy? Granted, I don't see how anyone can support Cheyenne after the truth comes out but hey if we get a third season, I suppose we will see how the writers get out of that little inconvenience.
Anyway, it just seeks that everytime I get in to a show, that show ends up getting canceled. *sigh* Maybe I should just stop watching TV. Or better yet, I should start watching American Idol, Dancing with the Stars etc....
Anyway, it just seeks that everytime I get in to a show, that show ends up getting canceled. *sigh* Maybe I should just stop watching TV. Or better yet, I should start watching American Idol, Dancing with the Stars etc....
I'm happy. If you look at seasons one and two as an extended mini-series, this show was great.
Sure, the show could go into the Second American Civil War story but, we know who would win.
I am content.
Sure, the show could go into the Second American Civil War story but, we know who would win.
I am content.
I thought it was made pretty clear John Smith was the mastermind and Hawkins' initial suspicions of Valente as the mastermind were wrong. Valente was in on it but wasn't at the top and Smith simply allowed Valente to labor under the idea that this was to bring down the government. Smith was always working on his own agenda while everyone else thought they were all on the same page. Or at least that is how I saw it. But I do agree there was more to examine among the players and I'm sure the writers had every intention of getting to that point in due time. Unfortunately the show was pulled.
Wasn't that also Smith's plan?
I think Smith wanted to bring down the government because he saw that its connection with Jennings and Rall was too much but he didn't anticipate Jennings and Rall seizing power and becoming the new government and that is why he planned to nuke Cheyenne. While not entirely clear, Valente seemed to want to bring down the current government and create a more powerful government that was less impotent.
But that isn't to say any of this was crystal clear and I suspect like Lost there were a few more twists up the writers' sleeves and that we hadn't heard the whole story.
Yup. I knew that the "closure" ending would basically not be enough and leave room for another season at least.
Who wouldn't want to see a civil war season? I still don't get how the hippies in California and Washington side with the Evil Oppressors (tm).
Anyhow, I knew that those ASAF fighters would be wiped out and the first thing that came to my head was "Don't Mess with Texas".
I'm Canadian and that catch phrase has crept into my brain. 
Whether or not SciFi or whomever pick this up... who knows. But, S2 of Jericho was one of the best moments of dramatic TV this year, next to S5 of The Wire. It's a banner year for American TV, even with the writer's strike.
Who wouldn't want to see a civil war season? I still don't get how the hippies in California and Washington side with the Evil Oppressors (tm).
Anyhow, I knew that those ASAF fighters would be wiped out and the first thing that came to my head was "Don't Mess with Texas".
I'm Canadian and that catch phrase has crept into my brain. Whether or not SciFi or whomever pick this up... who knows. But, S2 of Jericho was one of the best moments of dramatic TV this year, next to S5 of The Wire. It's a banner year for American TV, even with the writer's strike.
Somehow I doubt that the actual citizens of the ASA states voluntarily 'sided' with that government. They had no choice - it was imposed on them by force. The ASA might not even have allowed them to move afterward, since their citizens don't appear to have any freedoms or rights whatsoever.
Yeah, but why would Texas be able to stand up to the ASA but no one else?
None of the "Blue" states in the West have military bases or something?
None of the "Blue" states in the West have military bases or something?
What a great ride! I'm very sorry to see Jericho fall to cancellation, but I couldn't have asked for a better wrap-up to the series. The writers pretty much did everything right for these 7 episodes. I wish we'd get to see the second civil war, and there are so many unresolved plot threads.
Well, only 23 cities actually got nuked. That leaves thousands left.
Right, but the vast majority of those cities made up the vast majority of liberal America. I can easily see California, Washington, and Oregon falling in with Cheyenne without the influence of Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, and Seattle.
Although to be honest, they probably just randomly decided to make the Mississippi the border between the Cheyenne and Columbus governments, making California, Oregon, and Washington part of the ASA by default.
I would imagine that the most conservative people would resent MORE government control... especially taking away the 2nd Amendment?
Oh well, whatever. We can only imagine how the civil war would turn out.
Oh well, whatever. We can only imagine how the civil war would turn out.
Yes, it was completely against the weather.
Good, solid episode. Nice final exchange in the ambulance.
As for the Western states "falling in" with Cheyenne. It was easy to dupe us. Misinformation and control of information. The Western States only heard what they were allowed to to hear. Blind loyalty is happening now, even without the nukes.
And I, too, would love to see a mini-series: Jericho: Civil War II. The town would be smack dab on the "border" of the two factions.
--Ted
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Yep, I agree. I like TG's idea that the West following Cheyenne was more out of blind loyalty than anything else. Cheyenne would have had a hell of a lot easier time getting the word out to the western half of the country than Columbus.
My only question about the eastern bloc is, why Columbus? New York didn't get bombed. Wouldn't that make more sense as the new capital?
Or maybe Columbus is just temporary until the war ends, then they'll move to New York. Or the government will just stay in Columbus. A country's largest city isn't always its capital...
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