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Spoilers AHSOKA series [Spoiler Discussion]

  • Oh no! Ahsoka just killed Luke's clone who is also Ezra and Barris somehow!
  • Just curious, but how long do we suppose he was holding in that fart? Did he get himself sealed in that armour the week after Order 66, forgot how to unseal it and has been stuck in there ever since, too embarrassed to ask for help? I could see Seventh Sister pulling that prank on him . . .
  • Just kidding. I'm pretty sure he was a zombie.
He died the same way the Inquisitor died in that Tales of the Jedi episode.
 
He died the same way the Inquisitor died in that Tales of the Jedi episode.
Is there an echo in here?
Reverend said:
If they're going to tell Barris's story, I'd rather they actually tell Barris's story, not just blow it on some cheap shock cameo only 5% of the viewership would even understand.
Yeah, we wouldn't want anything in this show that you'd need to have seen the cartoons to understand!
 
Great episode as ever; did not disappoint! Good balance of the fighty-fighty and the talky-talky. We got more insight into Sabine's motivations, and shed some light on Ahsoka's ongoing struggle with being a warrior above all else. I sense a hoopey staff and a new cloak in her immediate future.

Yes, Ahsoka the White may be inbound now. I also think we've gotten a look at Sabine's inner mind- she's more interested in finding Ezra than becoming a Forceless Jedi.

Random thoughts and notes: -
  • Droids getting into a fist fight? How novel . . . and uncivilized.
  • I know he'd probably refuse on general principle (and programming) but Huyang really ought to have a sabre of his own if this kind of thing keeps happening.
He seems more the noncombatant type, but I expected a little more from him in the way of empty-handed martial arts.

Marrok may just be the best swordsman the Inquisitorius ever produced, just to have survived this long at all. But in in true Inquisitor fashion; not good enough, and how he's dead. Classic Samurai showdown though. Kurosawa would approve!

Very Twin Suns moment there. Heh.

Uh ladies; Huyang specifically said to stay together! Maybe listen to the droid that's survived for 20 millennia around force wielding maniacs and stop trying to advance the plot all the time!

As soon as Sabine tells Ahsoka to go, I was hollering: "Don't split the party!" Christ, didn't they ever play DnD?

Also curious why Ahsoka is leaving the shoto on her belt for the most part this episode. That's not like her.

For Marrok, I figured she decided one blade was enough to cope with that punk. She'd already beaten him once. For Baylan, maybe holding it in reserve as a switch-up if he turned out to be better than he with a single blade. Also, a free hand for grabbing the map.

OK, so we all know about the Gandalf thing right? So now that we're at that part of it when she falls and is about to get a wardrobe change, does that make Baylan the balrog of this scenario?

Not quite, as she failed to 'smote his ruin.'

I don't think for a second that they're going with the asinine "Anakin's force ghosts is disfigured and half-evil" idea they batted around for TFA. This is a Filloni show, and he actually understands and respects the mythology. I suspect it's more of a "your focus determines your reality" thing, and what Ahsoka sees may just be what she wants to see rather than what's actually there.

It would make sense that a Force ghost of Anakin would appear to Ahsoka as she remembers him- young, as he was in the CW.

That may not actually be Anakin's actual presence at all. I'm pretty sure he's wearing Vader's weapon. I think it's the first time I think any force ghost is seen with a weapon (what would they even need one for?) Also, there's his hand . . .
  • I think it's her trial of spirit. Facing the mirror. Which makes sense; we've never really seen Ahsoka tested like this before, and it is a rather important one for Jedi. Well, unless you count that time she fell to the dark side on Mortis and died, which I'm fairly certain counts as a failure.
  • So, who what's to bet Ahsoka is about to take a voidspace shortcut to Peridia? That said, I didn't see any gateways along those paths like when Ezra came through there . . .
If she does, what about the Ghost? Does Hera just wait for them all to come back?

If they're going to tell Barris's story, I'd rather they actually tell Barris's story, not just blow it on some cheap shock cameo only 5% of the viewership would even understand.

Ditto.

Much easier to just use the world between worlds to go straight there, no? But for the trip back on the other hand, that may indeed require hitching a ride with some space whales. Though you'd think if that was an option, Ezra would have done it already.

Again, what about the Ghost?
 
Clearly at least a quarter to a third of all Inquisitors contain a fine black powder that erupts in a violent and rushing cloud if their bodies are pierced. Must be hell on ships' filtration systems.
 
Reverend said:
Now I'm wondering if he was a witchcraft zombie this whole time. Nightsisters are known for that kind of thing after all, and that smoke was a bit on the green side. That's usually a giveaway.
Didn't we already see how Nightsister-created zombies perish in TCW's "Massacre"?
Forget all the "where's Luke?" bleating, the real question we should be asking is "where's Moria?"
Same place it's always been. Under the Misty Mountains.
 
The ghost doesn't have the coordinates, and Ahsoka destroyed the map.

That's sort of what I was impying- that if Ahsoka somehow transits TWBW to get to where Sabine and the bad guys are, the Ghost is sidelined until they come back. I doubt the Ghost could make an extragalactic hyperspace jump in any case.
 
Wow. So many unanswered questions. If Sabine lived to teach young Ben Solo the bait-a-Jedi-and-switch manoeuvre, why didn't she call Leia for help when Hera was turned down? Why did Luke not want to train Jacen, but he agreed to train Grogu? Did Jacen sense that Ahsoka just sliced Ezra or is he just sensitive to hyperspace like Han Solo? Why did the Son pull Ahsoka into the world between worlds? Was Vader upset or happy that his first apprentice killed his secret apprentice? And why did a mirilian die as if Thanos snapped her?
 
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Well, it was half his life, there ought to be some remnant of that even if he had renounced it.
It kinda runs against how that's supposed to work though. The whole thing of achieving enlightenment/nirvana is that you don't keep hold of the old baggage. It's gone. You've escaped the cycle. No more suffering.
Which is partly why I don't think this is Anakin as a force ghost. It's either an illusion/manifestation/reflection of the force itself (like the Wolf Dume, or Evil Yoda) or at some point in the Clone Wars, Anakin somehow, somewhen, managed to find himself in the world between worlds and this is him from then.
I prefer the former since the latter is just repeating what happened with Ezra again. I mean how many people from different times are going to pull her into that place?
 
at some point in the Clone Wars, Anakin somehow, somewhen, managed to find himself in the world between worlds and this is him from then
Which is the most sensible, given that it's consistent with how we saw the world between worlds work, Anakin from the past having to pull her moments before she died, just like Ezra did from the future. It would seem pretty odd and awfully convenient if she just ended up there instead of hitting the ocean, especially without her being pulled out of a hard situation by someone who is close to her. Though a waypoint created by creatures from another galaxy on a planet where Purgill would often appear migrating seems to be a pretty likely place to have an entrypoint to the world between worlds, especially as that would present another way to travel between those two places.

But it would be the emotionally heavy and traumatic, given that Ahsoka would have to thread extremely carefully not to violate the laws of time like the Son did here.

Unfortunately, I think Vader's light sabre and theme not only would suggest otherwise, but may have been put there explicitly to point away from that explanation. While the “I didn't expect to see you so soon” would imply a Force ghost, everything else would point that's not exactly Anakin himself at any point of his life, or after it. Though I wonder if Force ghosts can enter the World Between Worlds and pull people into it, since that option isn't completely out of the question.
 
I'm currently running on the assumption that her grabbing the open astrum is what's most directly responsible for her ending up in voidspace. Also, water being a gateway to another world is a fairly common trope in mythology, but in Norse & Celtic folklore especially, and this show has been leaning on that influence quite heavily so far.
 
I can't help but laugh at all of the people who worked themselves into a lather with ridiculous theories about Marrok. Sometimes a lightsabered thug is just a lightsabered thug.

No, no, no! It's Starkiller, you see! They just didn't show his face!

Even though his very existence in canon makes not one lick of sense anymore!

You'll be sorry!
 
Quick question.....
Is this set before or after Book Of Boba Fett? I'm curious if at this time Ashoka is aware of the redemption of Anakin.
If it is set after, she would know because of Luke. If it is before, we're not sure how long she knew Luke and if she knew about his redemption for a while now.
 
Oh hey look, we finally have an actual poster for the series that looks like an actual post for the series!
I was wondering why they hadn't released one like this before now, and I guess given who's on it I'm not surprised they held it back until the half-way point.

It also really shows off how bonkers fanfictiony-in-the-best-way this show is. I mean just look at that line-up; live action Ahsoka & Hayden, Jedi Sabine, Hera, Chopper, Huyang, Gar Saxon's Sith win brother, and some extra random cool looking baddies? Take this poster through a stroll in the World Between Worlds and drop it five years ago, and it would not look out of place as some fan-art mock-up of what a live action continuation of TCW & SWR could look like.
No, no, no! It's Starkiller, you see! They just didn't show his face!

Even though his very existence in canon makes not one lick of sense anymore!

You'll be sorry!
That was a Saw Witwer voiced cloud of undead magiks dust if ever I heard one.
Quick question.....
Is this set before or after Book Of Boba Fett? I'm curious if at this time Ashoka is aware of the redemption of Anakin.
If it is set after, she would know because of Luke. If it is before, we're not sure how long she knew Luke and if she knew about his redemption for a while now.
As stated up-thread a few pages; I'm guessing it does for a variety of reasons, while others disagree. We just don't know for sure yet.
 
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While this episode was a slight improvement over the terrible prior three, this show really is just spinning its wheels.

Congratulations, Filoni. You managed to make lightsaber duels utterly boring and rote.

Why are all the lead actors (save Ray Stevenson) in a competition over who can deliver the most flat, boring performance? MEW obviously wins, but she's hardly in it, so her terribleness has less of an effect.

The season is now HALFWAY over. God, the pacing is just the worst. They should have had the bad guys hypering away at the end of the first damn episode, or the second at the absolute latest.

It's been endless wheel spinning and now finally (maybe?) the actual plot can begin? We'll see....
 
Quick question.....
Is this set before or after Book Of Boba Fett? I'm curious if at this time Ashoka is aware of the redemption of Anakin.
If it is set after, she would know because of Luke. If it is before, we're not sure how long she knew Luke and if she knew about his redemption for a while now.

It takes place after her first appearance in The Mandalorian where she captures Morgan. It probably takes place before her appearance in BoBF with Luke, but we don't know for sure. I think it's likely we will see her first meeting with Luke in this show, but that's just my speculation.
 
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