When did the Janeway hatred truly start to coalesce?

[jackoverfull]

salamanda sex was Janeway pushed into a sexual press, that would not have been her first choice. Which happened to Kirk all the time.

I see!

Repelling a woman is reverse sex which can be just as complicated and stressful as forward sex.

wat

Doing the right thing, feels good.

Doing nothing. I discovered about it like a year later, wondering why she had disappeared (turned out the mother had discovered she was going around saying I was her boyfriend and forbid her to seeing me again).

He won that girl by a feat of strength and skill, its disingenuous not to take T'Pring home to Iowah to Iowa to meet Wynonna.

T’Pring didn’t expect Kirk to accept her as wife and even if he did had no plan to leave Vulcan. She said so herself. Also, I doubt that she would have been interested in sex with Kirk (or that Kirk would have felt safe in bed with her!).

I was alluding towards masturbation,

I know what you were alluding to. And I seriously doubt that was high on Kirk’s priorities.

but even looking or showering would still be a violation,

hardly, as he was forced in that body.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I see!

At first I was looking for times that Kirk was turned into something else, but I really do not know m,y TOS as well as I used to.

wat

Escaping a non-complimentary coupling.

Doing nothing. I discovered about it like a year later, wondering why she had disappeared (turned out the mother had discovered she was going around saying I was her boyfriend and forbid her to seeing me again).
T’Pring didn’t expect Kirk to accept her as wife and even if he did had no plan to leave Vulcan. She said so herself. Also, I doubt that she would have been interested in sex with Kirk (or that Kirk would have felt safe in bed with her!).

The ceremony began with T'Pring being labeled as Property. Kirk doesn't need to keep the woman as a sex pet against her will. That would be criminal and gross. Making her cook and clean like a butler until she went against her own traditions and invented divorce would be hilarious and excellent payback for tricking Kirk into killing Spock.

I know what you were alluding to. And I seriously doubt that was high on Kirk’s priorities.

What needs more adjusting for the sake of comfort?

Boy stuff or girl stuff?

Even if they are not being lascivious, nature is going to eventually call.

hardly, as he was forced in that body.

James Kirk is an Officer and Gentleman, but everybody poops.

 

[jackoverfull]

The ceremony began with T'Pring being labeled as Property. Kirk doesn't need to keep the woman as a sex pet against her will. That would be criminal and gross. Making her cook and clean like a butler until she went against her own traditions and invented divorce would be hilarious and excellent payback for tricking Kirk into killing Spock.

T’Pring sounded pretty sure she wouldn’t suffer consequences.
And she doesn’t: she literally plotted to commit ritualised murder and even before they discovered Kirk was alive it was clear she would have gotten away with it.

What needs more adjusting for the sake of comfort?

Boy stuff or girl stuff?

Even if they are not being lascivious, nature is going to eventually call.

We’re talking about hours, days at maximum, not even weeks.

James Kirk is an Officer and Gentleman, but everybody poops

and that’s no “violation”, as he was in her body against his will.

 

[Akiraprise]

You edited as I was posting...

Guy this is a Star Trek message board. We're not trying to be prudes here but you have to stop with this softcore stuff in the upper forums. Not every topic has to be taken off course with the sEx.

You edited as I was posting this. Admonishment over. But, just stop please.

 

[Ragitsu]

 

[Ragitsu]

In Italian she sounds remarkably similar to the original.

How about the translations? Have you ever compared lines of dialogue?

 

[jackoverfull]

How about the translations? Have you ever compared lines of dialogue?

not really…Afaik they were quite good, the ones for the TOS movie (especially the third) were awful as were most of those of enterprise (season 1) I’ve heard.

By the way, my father recently bought me one of the recent TNG comics and I can’t believe how bad the translations are, they’re barely readable. The drop in quality from the TOS ones I had from some 15 years ago is really noticeable.
But then again translations dubbing are being done with less and less budget these days and it’s showing, I wouldn’t be surprised if they start to just have a software do them automatically with no human supervision in the next few years.

 

[jackoverfull]

I *do* remember a particularly bad translation from Year of Hell: they turned “quarters are close” into “quarters are closed” which…well.
I haven’t watched most of Trek in Italian in over a decade anyway.

 

[at Quark's]

I *do* remember a particularly bad translation from Year of Hell: they turned “quarters are close” into “quarters are closed” which…well.
I haven’t watched most of Trek in Italian in over a decade anyway.

Not Italian or VOY but a bad example from German television translating TNG: In Remember Me, Crusher's line 'Computer, what is this mist I'm seeing?' apparently was mistranslated to "Was ist der Mist den ich da draußen sehe?' ('What's that crap/dung I see out there?' )

 

[Oddish]

What will be really scary is when the AI starts doing the job better than humans do.

 

[jackoverfull]

What will be really scary is when the AI starts doing the job better than humans do.

i think that the translation of this recent comic is so bad that an ai would already have done a better job.

 

[fireproof78]

Reminds me of the "Back Stroke of the West" which I believe was a translation of Revenge of the Sith in to Mandarin and then from those Mandarin words back to English and the results are...

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[Ragitsu]

Attitude-wise, was post-Seven of Nine Janeway worse or better than pre-Seven of Nine Janeway?

 

[Oddish]

Attitude-wise, was post-Seven of Nine Janeway worse or better than pre-Seven of Nine Janeway?

Hard to tell the difference... Janeway was not the most dynamic of characters.

 

[Farscape One]

I feel like Janeway was more consistent in seasons 1 and 2. Probably not a coincidence that those were the seasons Michael Piller was head of the writers' room.

 

[Oddish]

Then I guess pre-7 Janeway takes it.

 

[Ragitsu]

Hard to tell the difference... Janeway was not the most dynamic of characters.

I had wondered about the extent to which Mulgrew's animosity towards Ryan colored her performance.

 

[Oddish]

I had wondered about the extent to which Mulgrew's animosity towards Ryan colored her performance.

There were a lot of undercurrents in Voyager... Mulgrew's feelings toward Jeri Ryan were among them. Her resentment that a show that was supposed to be about empowerment and equality for women was now apparently reduced to objectification... that was justified. However, her subsequent misdirection of that anger was inexcusable. As Ms. Mulgrew herself admits.

However, there were others... Robert Beltran was supposedly trying to get himself booted by increasing his demands. But despite their unwillingness to do anything productive with his character, they were equally unwilling to just dispense with him, so they gave him what he wanted. Didn't want another Vulcan first officer, I guess.

And then there was Garrett Wang... I don't know what he did, but they really had it in for him. And their puerile little "revenge" has probably exceeded even their expectations, given that so much of the Trek community still gleefully participates in it.

I wonder if all the Trek shows were this... interesting, behind the scenes.

 

[Dee1891]

There were a lot of undercurrents in Voyager... Mulgrew's feelings toward Jeri Ryan were among them. Her resentment that a show that was supposed to be about empowerment and equality for women was now apparently reduced to objectification... that was justified. However, her subsequent misdirection of that anger was inexcusable. As Ms. Mulgrew herself admits.

However, there were others... Robert Beltran was supposedly trying to get himself booted by increasing his demands. But despite their unwillingness to do anything productive with his character, they were equally unwilling to just dispense with him, so they gave him what he wanted. Didn't want another Vulcan first officer, I guess.

And then there was Garrett Wang... I don't know what he did, but they really had it in for him. And their puerile little "revenge" has probably exceeded even their expectations, given that so much of the Trek community still gleefully participates in it.

I wonder if all the Trek shows were this... interesting, behind the scenes.

The behind the scenes for "TOS" and "TNG" were just as interesting. Trust me.

 

[Oddish]

I know that Patrick Stewart was so convinced that TNG was going to flop, he didn't unpack his stuff fir a long time.

Probably a lot juicier stuff out there, though.