There's another time jump and it's all about getting to Mars.
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I'm getting so tired about this "woke" railing, really tired. If you can't realize that the world has changed and entertainment is just catching up then dig yourself a hole, vanish there and keep watching old Arnold movies and shows from the 50s when everybody had their place and knew their station in life! 
Sorry for the rant.
Sorry for the rant.
I read somewhere that RDM basically felt empowered by the negative fan reaction; the more people complained, the more pleasure it gave him to continue with this story line.
Which nicely shows that ... yes, it's true that creative folks shouldn't be controlled by fans in what they do or don't do, but that's a two-edged sword. Don't do something that makes no creative sense just because the fans want it ... but also don't do something that makes no creative sense just because the fans don't want it.
The problem with claim is the way production for streaming services run. Nothing goes out until the whole season has been produced and in the can so the RDM can't adjust in response the to the fans because haven't seen it.
The events of S2 didn't reveal what a complete and utter arsehole some-one would be in S3.
As the saying goes, it doesn’t matter if they boo, they’re reacting. And you want them to react and strong too. The worst that can happen is people go ‘meh’.
You’re supposed to boo the heels.
You’re supposed to boo the heels.
One thing I thought was weird about S2 were the timelines involved. Danny comes home from Annapolis for the summer, and he's home the entire season. Then at the end, he goes back and Karen says something like "I can't believe summer is over already." So are we to take that to mean that the entirety of events in S2 happened in a 3 month timespan? (Less than that in reality, because at least one month of summer would have been taken up by his Youngster midshipman cruise, when he was aboard the carrier, which he told Kelly about.)
Remember, that would include all the planning for Apollo-Soyuz, building the new docking components, the entire ramp-up for the Pathfinder flight, including that flight with the sea-dragon launch. It would also include a complete redesign, test, and implementation of the O-rings on the Russian shuttle's SRBs, etc.
I know Danny will probably have a role in S3, but there wasn't any real plot need to have him around the entire season, other than to shag Karen at the end in what was the ickiest moment I've seen on TV in quite a while. She practically raised him once Tracy went to NASA, for crissake!
Also, IRL the Korean Air shootdown was in September, but as this is an alternate timeline, so that really has no bearing here.
Remember, that would include all the planning for Apollo-Soyuz, building the new docking components, the entire ramp-up for the Pathfinder flight, including that flight with the sea-dragon launch. It would also include a complete redesign, test, and implementation of the O-rings on the Russian shuttle's SRBs, etc.
I know Danny will probably have a role in S3, but there wasn't any real plot need to have him around the entire season, other than to shag Karen at the end in what was the ickiest moment I've seen on TV in quite a while. She practically raised him once Tracy went to NASA, for crissake!
Also, IRL the Korean Air shootdown was in September, but as this is an alternate timeline, so that really has no bearing here.
IIRC it was about why he doubled down on certain ... questionable choices ... made in S2 in the making of S3. Tried to find the exact quote now but have failed so far ...
Kicked off S3 today.
I think Ellen running against Bill Clinton might be the neatest thing I've seen yet. Love to see the tech starting to show up 'early' as a result of the advances of this timeline. Obviously, the same is not happening in the Rodina. It looks as gray, dark, and dingy as ever so far. At least the phone booths.
Gary Hart, a two-termer following Reagan? Had to swallow a bit of disbelief there!
Loved the idea that Karen and Sam went in on the space tourism concept. Would have been great, too, except for the damn North Koreans and their exploding rockets!
Good opener, set almost totally in space, which I like. Margo has obviously crossed into treasonous territory since S2. Sounds like there might have been a little bit of quid pro quo, but unsanctioned by NASA or the gov't, and given that most of what she works on is probably classified to some degree, she's essentially a traitor. It'll be interesting to see if it eventually comes to light.
I think Ellen running against Bill Clinton might be the neatest thing I've seen yet. Love to see the tech starting to show up 'early' as a result of the advances of this timeline. Obviously, the same is not happening in the Rodina. It looks as gray, dark, and dingy as ever so far. At least the phone booths.
Gary Hart, a two-termer following Reagan? Had to swallow a bit of disbelief there!
Loved the idea that Karen and Sam went in on the space tourism concept. Would have been great, too, except for the damn North Koreans and their exploding rockets!
Good opener, set almost totally in space, which I like. Margo has obviously crossed into treasonous territory since S2. Sounds like there might have been a little bit of quid pro quo, but unsanctioned by NASA or the gov't, and given that most of what she works on is probably classified to some degree, she's essentially a traitor. It'll be interesting to see if it eventually comes to light.
Season 2 started filming 4 days after Season 1 ended, and Season 3 started filming the week after Season 2 started airing.
So it is entirely possible some things could have been adjusted, but nothing big.
Don't apologize for ranting. I agree with you 100%. It's beyond obnoxious now.I'm getting so tired about this "woke" railing, really tired. If you can't realize that the world has changed and entertainment is just catching up then dig yourself a hole, vanish there and keep watching old Arnold movies and shows from the 50s when everybody had their place and knew their station in life!
Sorry for the rant.
Yup, I've read that several times over the years. I love how Ron Moore writes and sees the world, but this is one thing I disagree with him wholeheartedly. I get why he does it, but I don't like it.
The one place the show isn't telling its own story is in the way other things should be advanced. They've touched on electric cars, but what about stuff like a cure for cancer due to NASA needing to combat the effects of long term radiation exposure in space and on the moon?
Supersonic transports?
Semi-ballistic transports?
SSTO spaceplanes?
They've cracked fusion but are apparently still limited to rocket engines, NTR engines, and methane. Once you crack fusion, you have access to the specific impulse numbers to start working on constant-acceleration fusion drives. That's Earth to Mars in days or weeks instead of months, and mere hours back and forth to the moon.
If anything, given the rate of technological advancement since the timeline split, the technology curve on the 'big stuff' isn't steep enough.
Two eps in and still luvin' it.
Supersonic transports?
Semi-ballistic transports?
SSTO spaceplanes?
They've cracked fusion but are apparently still limited to rocket engines, NTR engines, and methane. Once you crack fusion, you have access to the specific impulse numbers to start working on constant-acceleration fusion drives. That's Earth to Mars in days or weeks instead of months, and mere hours back and forth to the moon.
If anything, given the rate of technological advancement since the timeline split, the technology curve on the 'big stuff' isn't steep enough.
Two eps in and still luvin' it.
Beyond fusion, there are antimatter drives, of course, as featured in Avatar.
I have yet to work myself up to finish season 3. I might have to fast-forward through any soapy bits.
I'm planning on buying it when it comes out on Blu-Ray next month (though I might ask for it as a Christmas present).
The entire premise of this show is that NASA adds women and black folk to the astronaut corps in 1969 and then the entire space program accomplishes more than it did in real life! The show was always woke. What show did you think you were watching??
Just for the sake of curiosity, where did you read it? And why being woke is a bad thing?(whatever "woke" means, because every time you ask people who use it as an insult what exactly the definition you get the equivalent of a blue screen)
Halfway through S3 now, and it's been pretty good so far.
1. Interesting take on the coal / oil lobby getting up in arms about H3 Fusion wrecking their industry. Definitely a precursor of things to come. Seems to me, however, that if NASA is generating 75 billion plus in profit every year, they could peel off a few billion to help make it a 'soft-landing' for the coal and oil workers. Of course, true to life, trust politicians to not solve the problem so they can weaponize it against their political opponents instead. Very realistic take in that regard. Also the government wanting to take the NASA profits for their pet spending projects.
2. The literal 3-way race seems very contrived. Margo is leaning neutral evil here in her resistance to mounting a rescue of the Soviets, because she knows damn good and well it lets the cat out of the bag on the stolen nuclear engine design. Fortunately, the President is a former astronaut who once faced spinning off alone into the big black, and has conscience enough for both of them. And of course, the Soviets continue to play dirty- first with further blackmail of Margo, and then the lead cosmonaut trying to rush down the ramp and get boots on Mars first. The actions of the Helios CEO didn't surprise me- I figured that guy had a dark side that would emerge, and I enjoyed he and Ed wrestling each other for control of the ship across the solar system.
3. The design of the NASA ship is unrealistic for a Mars mission. It is far too small, especially for a crew of 6, and that long a trip in zero-g is going to present health and fitness problems even in Mars's .38-g field after they get there. Back in '95, when Bob Zubrin wrote the Mars Direct mission plan, he proposed spinning the crew hab on a tether attached to a used rocket stage in order to provide some centrifugal gravity for the trip. I do like that it is a single craft designed to fly to Mars and then land there. We never see the inside of the Soviet ship, but the Helios vessel actually looks like the most practical design of the three, if a bit lavish.
4. It is never really addressed how the NASA ship is going to support two extra bodies for the entire duration of the mission. Maybe the cosmonauts can hitch a ride back with Helios.
5. We'll see if Margo actually goes to the DOJ over the stolen engine design, and how she tries to spin it. She'll have to out herself if she's going to have any real chance of saving her Soviet buddy and his family. I find her character thoroughly unlikeable and I hope she pays for her treason.
6. The Danny-Karen subplot remains icky, unnecessary, and downright stupid. There is no way this kid makes it onto anyone's crew with his issues.
1. Interesting take on the coal / oil lobby getting up in arms about H3 Fusion wrecking their industry. Definitely a precursor of things to come. Seems to me, however, that if NASA is generating 75 billion plus in profit every year, they could peel off a few billion to help make it a 'soft-landing' for the coal and oil workers. Of course, true to life, trust politicians to not solve the problem so they can weaponize it against their political opponents instead. Very realistic take in that regard. Also the government wanting to take the NASA profits for their pet spending projects.
2. The literal 3-way race seems very contrived. Margo is leaning neutral evil here in her resistance to mounting a rescue of the Soviets, because she knows damn good and well it lets the cat out of the bag on the stolen nuclear engine design. Fortunately, the President is a former astronaut who once faced spinning off alone into the big black, and has conscience enough for both of them. And of course, the Soviets continue to play dirty- first with further blackmail of Margo, and then the lead cosmonaut trying to rush down the ramp and get boots on Mars first. The actions of the Helios CEO didn't surprise me- I figured that guy had a dark side that would emerge, and I enjoyed he and Ed wrestling each other for control of the ship across the solar system.
3. The design of the NASA ship is unrealistic for a Mars mission. It is far too small, especially for a crew of 6, and that long a trip in zero-g is going to present health and fitness problems even in Mars's .38-g field after they get there. Back in '95, when Bob Zubrin wrote the Mars Direct mission plan, he proposed spinning the crew hab on a tether attached to a used rocket stage in order to provide some centrifugal gravity for the trip. I do like that it is a single craft designed to fly to Mars and then land there. We never see the inside of the Soviet ship, but the Helios vessel actually looks like the most practical design of the three, if a bit lavish.
4. It is never really addressed how the NASA ship is going to support two extra bodies for the entire duration of the mission. Maybe the cosmonauts can hitch a ride back with Helios.
5. We'll see if Margo actually goes to the DOJ over the stolen engine design, and how she tries to spin it. She'll have to out herself if she's going to have any real chance of saving her Soviet buddy and his family. I find her character thoroughly unlikeable and I hope she pays for her treason.
6. The Danny-Karen subplot remains icky, unnecessary, and downright stupid. There is no way this kid makes it onto anyone's crew with his issues.
He still hasn't put on a space-diaper for a non-stop cross-country murder-roadtrip.
And as Dani mentions to Ed, Ed has had deceptively good luck with solving a Stevens' personal issues by shoving them into a rocket and letting a life-or-death situation get their head back on straight.
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