Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x09 - "Subspace Rhapsody"

[jackoverfull]

Constitution Class is a semi-retcon. The name did show up in TOS, but it's not legible.
This graphic was originally created for 'Space Seed', but none of the camera angles showed it.

It is visible in 'The Trouble with Tribbles' though.

I’m 99% sure this is from the remaster, though. A windowed desktop was an alien concept in the 60s.

 

[Tuskin38]

I’m 99% sure this is from the remaster

It's in both
This screen cap is from the Blu-Ray, but from the version with no updated FX.
It's hard to find non-HD screencaps online.

Here's an older version of my other image from M-A, but it's dated 2013 so it could still be the HD release

 

[Dukhat]

The Defiant and the Enterprise have both been shown and referred to being Constitution class. They have same hull design. The same interiors. In the same era. How are they NOT the same class ship if it has been proven in dialogue and graphics?

cough, cough Sombra class cough, cough

 

[Tuskin38]

cough, cough Sombra class cough, cough

Sombra class has blue striping and pennats

 

[Dukhat]

Sombra class has blue striping and pennats

Sounds like a completely different class to me then

 

[JoseNoodles]

Mark IV Simulator - Enterprise Class

 

[Tuskin38]

According to Mike Okuda, the reason they called it a Constitution class in TNG was because they felt that's the name most fans would have known it by.

 

[Farscape One]

cough, cough Sombra class cough, cough

And she was considerably smaller. The Defiant and Enterprise were both MUCH larger.

 

[Tuskin38]

And she was considerably smaller.

The Sombra and Connie the same size. There's a computer display in the episode with specs on it, and she doesn't look smaller in the scene where the Enterprise is pulling her.

 

[Dukhat]

And she was considerably smaller. The Defiant and Enterprise were both MUCH larger.

Eh? They're the exact same size. There is absolutely nothing different about the two classes other than the color of their pennants (which, by that logic, would made every California class ship a different class.)

 

[Farscape One]

I'll have to rewatch the scene again. I remember it being smaller.

In any case, it has been clearly established in multiple shows that the Enterprise and Defiant are Constitution class ships.

 

[Mudd]

I’m 99% sure this is from the remaster, though. A windowed desktop was an alien concept in the 60s.

Where's the window?

 

[Tallguy]

In any case, it has been clearly established in multiple shows that the Enterprise and Defiant are Constitution class ships.

It's just that none of those shows happen to be Star Trek.

I'm certainly not going to get pushy on something that was accepted lore both in and out of the production offices and has been validated over the years on screen and off. It was so well established that I was well out of college (20 something years after I started watching the show) before I ever noticed that it was only ever called a Starship class on the actual show.

But if we can suddenly get wiggly about the size of the Enterprise as well as what is and isn't a K't'inga? Well, Constitution class is on much shakier ground than a lot of Star Trek facts.

 

[Mudd]

There we have it then. The Defiant was a Constitution class and the Enterprise was not. So I don't know what the hell SNW is doing.

Making Star Trek.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, Constitution class is on much shakier ground than a lot of Star Trek facts.

It definitely is.

 

[Quantum21]

I liked it better the second time around. I'm not against musicals exactly, but I feel we'd have been fine without one. That said, it's a decent production of such things.

 

[Tuskin38]

It's just that none of those shows happen to be Star Trek.

That's why it's a semi-retcon.

Also Constitution Class is mentioned in the script for Space Seed in reference to the diagram I posted earlier.

 

[Farscape One]

It's just that none of those shows happen to be Star Trek.

Ummm... TNG is STAR TREK. Picard verbally called the Enterprise a Constitution class ship, which Scotty, who served aboard her as Chief Engineer, confirmed.

And the Defiant's dedication plaque shows her as Constitution class in the "IN A MIRROR, DARKLY" two-parter... which was an episode of ENT. Also a STAR TREK series.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yes it is. It appears on the Enterprise's plaque in one of the TOS movies.

And in SNW, though in SNW they try to have it both ways

Besides, the phrase "Starship class" doesn't even make sense. It would require a USS Starship.

(Which would only work if it was named after the band. )

I think they meant Starship TYPE.

Mark IV Simulator - Enterprise Class

That doesn't have to mean SHIP class. It could be the class of Academy cadets which were to be posted to...the Enterprise.

Or it's the simulator which is Enterprise class. (Makes sense, since it was in fact built to resemble the Enterprise.)

 

[Macintosh]

I’m 99% sure this is from the remaster, though. A windowed desktop was an alien concept in the 60s.

The computer mouse was first developed in 1964; The "Mother of All Demos" happened in 1968. It's not outside the bounds of possibility that some of the production team would have been aware of these things.