I get that, but I think the problem is dealing with those feelings during a crisis. Starfleet officers are supposed to be professionals, and being professional means dealing with the current crisis first and then dealing with feelings after. Otherwise, lives can be lost. This is actually one of my other issues with DISCO.
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I get that, but I think the problem is dealing with those feelings during a crisis. Starfleet officers are supposed to be professionals, and being professional means dealing with the current crisis first and then dealing with feelings after. Otherwise, lives can be lost. This is actually one of my other issues with DISCO.
I don't entirely disagree. Unfortunately Trek's approach to mental health is poor, at best.
It's also a dramatic presentation too. And this isn't something new to Trek. My wife and I enjoy lots of shows, watching older shows too and I see those moments that could be right out of a 2020s Marvel film-people stopping in a crisis and talking feelings. People quipping in the moment about something completely serious.
Now, maybe I grew up with a severe deficiency in imagination and humor and I find sarcasm fun most of the time. Perhaps I am completely deficient (to quote MASH) when it comes to dramatic presentations of emotions in a dramatic narrative. Or perhaps I don't take this as seriously as others. I just have noticed, for good or for ill, that the comments around pausing and talking about feelings seems more something inherent in the art form than necessarily problematic in Trek itself.
Mileage probably varies. That's just my observation.
I don't watch Marvel movies. I haven't seen one in 12 years, and sporadically even before that. I suspect I'm not coming to the new Trek shows with that baggage, as opposed to other people where, the moment they hear a quip or someone talks about feelings, they do a knee-jerk reflex reaction.
I really liked DSC S2
I mean I liked it better than Seasons 1 and 3. But I think that was largely because of Pike (seriously, if somebody told me several years ago that the guy from The Cage would become one of my favourite Trek characters I would have never believed them, but here we are).
I mean I like a lot of the characters in DISC (especially Tilly and Stamets) but the writing of the show itself just isn't my thing. Maybe I'm just tired of heavily serialized shows.
But thankfully we ended up getting multiple shows and I can watch whichever I like when I wanna see Star Trek, ha.
I also really hope that rumoured Academy show starring Tilly as an instructor materializes.
This has been brought up elsewhere: Who in all of Star Trek has ever been "in danger"? And when they were when was it not because the actor had other things to do (or was not asked back)? It's a trope (still) "Hey, we've never seen that person before and there's a Gorn on the loose! I wonder who's in trouble here?":
The fact that Pike, Spock, Uhura, Chapel, and M'Benga will be seen years from now does not really put Chin-Riley, Ortegas, or Noonian-Singh in terrible jeopardy.
I saw someone up thread talk about Stamets and character development and you can have character development without losing that edge. For one I think it happened too quickly, but more than that it feels like someone has gone missing from his character. I wouldn’t say neutered, but I miss that little spark.
I have to agree with this point. Even during the height of the Dominion War on DS9, I had in the back of my mind that the TNG Movies were still ongoing and if Voyager ever got home, it wouldn't get home to a devastated Federation. So I knew it could only ever get so bad.
Even in DSC, I knew that eventually Earth would rejoin the Federation. As much as I like the novelty of Earth not being part of the Federation, I wasn't going to be pretend they weren't going to put the pieces back where they found them at the end of the day.
There are two characters I really wonder about in SNW:
- Una. Because Kirk ends up in command of the Enterprise, not her. So what happens to her?
- M'Benga. He's not CMO on the Enterprise in TOS anymore. I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop. They've set up his PTSD from the Klingon War, and they didn't put that in there for nothing, so I think either what happened at the end of "Under the Cloak of War" or something else PTSD-related is going to end up biting him in the ass.
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It's more than rumored, it's been officially announced, although no mention of Mary Wiseman being involved yet.
That said, Star Trek 4 was announced... and announced... and announced... and quietly went away forever. So who knows? Especially with strikes and whatnot grinding everything to a halt. Tawny Newsome is one of the writers.
Largely because they can't put a character on compassionate leave after something horrible happens to them. Actor contracts and all.
Well, Pike is of course.
And yes, the characters we didn't see in TOS canon are indeed in greater jeopardy. Especially since if they're going to have the SNW timeline creep up to the TOS one... Uhura and Spock can just stay on, but room must be made for Scotty and Sulu. And M'Benga's reduction from CMO to underling must be explained.
I don't get the whole "quips=Marvel" thing either. Stargate's been doing it since 1997.
That's true. In the case of TOS, it was three people being the center of most of the action. Not that I care. I would rather watch TOS, along with Seasons One and Two of DIS over SNW. Both are more original. And at least neither show has a captain who is transforming into "the Galloping Gourmet".
People talk about how serious PIC is, but I'll never not think a Gangster Vulcan is funny. And played by Kirk Acevedo, who played Alvarez on the HBO prison show Oz! All they needed was to have some gangsta rap in the background, with Krinn telling Worf or Raffi, "If you break my nose, it's only logical I break your face! I'm gonna bust a cap in your ass!"
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But with established characters you have even less suspense.
Suspense isn't about what will happen, but what might.
Something might happen to those other three. That's my point. Nothing significantly harmful can happen to those others.
Nog was established on DS9 and look what happened to him. Couldn't have something like that happen with Worf though.
Why couldn't it happen with Worf? (Actually Worf broke his spine and was paralyzed. They made it all better by the end of the episode rather than the handful of episodes it took Nog.)
I can't imagine anyone is especially on the edge of their seat about Ortegas or LNS.
Now as we get to the series finale? I guess, sure. But it might also spare us the traditional "End of the show, who do we kill off?"
I think La'an and Una have had plenty of conflict situations.
My take is that I see a lot of people really dislike DSC, and Picard seasons 1 and 2. I think there's less criticism for SNW, but it's there, just look at RMB and that Dave Cullen fellow on YouTube. Actually don't do that, they're really quite distasteful.
The modern Trek with the least number of dissenting voices seems to be Prodigy. The blend of new and old and the continuation of the old Trek aesthetic seems inspired.
All of the above is subjective, non factual opinion!
I like SNW, but it's a bit cartoony. Not sure it'll be much remembered in 50 years.
The modern Trek with the least number of dissenting voices seems to be Prodigy. The blend of new and old and the continuation of the old Trek aesthetic seems inspired.
All of the above is subjective, non factual opinion!
I like SNW, but it's a bit cartoony. Not sure it'll be much remembered in 50 years.
That's basically how I felt watching the first few episodes of Stargate Universe. I found myself wanting it become more like Voyager.
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