Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x10 - "Hegemony"

[Mr Awe]

I think the treatment of the Gorn is a bait and switch. The show is intentionally setting them up as monsters, pushing the beliefs of Pike and the crew who believe that any species can be understood, find common ground and reason with them. The majority of the Gorn we’ve seen so far are children in a feeding frenzy, they eat each other and any other living thing they can find. The only adult we’ve seen was clearing trying to access systems on a starship, so they’re intelligent by the time they reach adulthood.

Since the show made it clear that there were coronal mass ejections before the attack, maybe it had something to do with their reproductive cycle. Similar to how certain animal species on Earth have reproductive cycles timed to full moons or how Vulcans have Pon Farr every seven years, it’s just a fact of their biology.

Agreed. And several of us discussed these issues at length earlier in this thread.

 

[Pauln6]

There's no reason for the nurse to be a line officer. Especially someone who's qualified and experienced.

Well, she's not the only civilian to work on a Starfleet vessel (Kes, Neelix, Seven, Janet Wallace) but Star Trek has traditionally demonstrated that the Starfleet crew is Starfleet trained and either enlisted or commissioned. Even Spock and McCoy in TMP were drafted or reactivated for a single mission when they could have been civilians.

I suppose one could argue that we don't know that nameless medical staff are enlisted but Simon Tarses, a lowly med tech, was enlisted.

Its an arbitrary distinction in the official record I guess, being formally part of the crew and being assigned to work with the crew.

 

[Photoman15]

I wouldn't even be suspecting this if it weren't for the fact that Batel isn't around when Pike has his accident.

I mean, of COURSE the character was decades away from being created, but the fact remains...the love of Pike's life, and she's not there when he needs her most? What's that about?

I'm thinking that PIke, knowing what's coming, as it gets closer, breaks up with her to spare her.

 

[Tallguy]

At this point who knows that Pike knows the future? Una and Spock, right?

 

[Racefuel]

At this point who knows that Pike knows the future? Una and Spock, right?

Una, Spock and the Monks on Boreth

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

They've got at least a year or two to come up with a cure.
(or at the very least a way to remove the infection)

A year? I had been under the impression that Gorn infection killed its host nearly as quickly as a Xenomotph facehugger. So Batel would have a few hours, a day at most.

Where’d you get the idea about a year?

 

[Tallguy]

A year? I had been under the impression that Gorn infection killed its host nearly as quickly as a Xenomotph facehugger. So Batel would have a few hours, a day at most.

Where’d you get the idea about a year?

I think he means the writers. Michael Piller is looking down with intense jealousy.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I think he means the writers. Michael Piller is looking down with intense jealousy.

Oh, right, the gap between seasons. I get it.

Yet if this damn strike continues, we may never know…

 

[Nerys Myk]

Well, she's not the only civilian to work on a Starfleet vessel (Kes, Neelix, Seven, Janet Wallace) but Star Trek has traditionally demonstrated that the Starfleet crew is Starfleet trained and either enlisted or commissioned. Even Spock and McCoy in TMP were drafted or reactivated for a single mission when they could have been civilians.

I suppose one could argue that we don't know that nameless medical staff are enlisted but Simon Tarses, a lowly med tech, was enlisted.

Its an arbitrary distinction in the official record I guess, being formally part of the crew and being assigned to work with the crew.

Wasn’t Chapel a civilian in TOS? Or at least implied to be?

 

[Commander Troi]

Wasn’t Chapel a civilian in TOS? Or at least implied to be?

I never got that impression. She was always in a Starfleet uniform.

 

[cooleddie74]

In SNW she's part of a civilian medical program and wears a medical uniform aboard the Enterprise as part of the program. By TOS she just seems like a regular Starfleet officer who's a part of the Medical division. In TMP McCoy mentions that she's an M.D. by that point but that says nothing about her Starfleet status.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I never got that impression. She was always in a Starfleet uniform.

SNW Chapel is in a Starfleet uniform as well. But she was said to be an civilian in Episode 1
TOS chapel didn’t have the black collar on her uniform. We saw other nurses with black collar uniforms.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

In SNW she's part of a civilian medical program and wears a medical uniform aboard the Enterprise as part of the program. By TOS she just seems like a regular Starfleet officer who's a part of the Medical division. In TMP McCoy mentions that she's an M.D. by that point but that says nothing about her Starfleet status.

IIRC, Christine is a LCDR by the time TMP rolls around. In TVH she is a full Commander.

Originally she was indeed a civilian but she got a commission when Roger Korby went missing, so she could join in the search for him. So that must be due to happen relatively soon in SNW.

 

[BK613]

The lack of visible insignia certainly seems deliberate in Tholian Web. As if they didn't have the time or budget to make new badges so they deliberately hid the Deltas. Could there have been disagreement behind the scenes about the badge issue?

They were probably prescient enough to remember different ships had different tunic insignia but since this was Season 3 and the budget had been trimmed they just didn't have the money to make and sew new U.S.S. Defiant patches on existing shirts so they just reused shirts from the existing wardrobe and positioned the extras so that the Enterprise delta arrowhead wouldn't easily be seen.

It's probably more likely that they were trying to hide the fact that they were using the same 8-10 extras to represent the whole 430 member crew. IMO.

 

[Nerys Myk]

IIRC, Christine is a LCDR by the time TMP rolls around. In TVH she is a full Commander

She sports a lieutenant’s braid in TAS, so if she was a civilian she formally joined Starfleet by then.

 

[Pauln6]

Wasn’t Chapel a civilian in TOS? Or at least implied to be?

It may depend on the type of mission. TOS was a deep space 5 year mission, unsuitable for civilians. Maybe Pike's mission is just to pootle around within Federation borders. I prefer it if civilians are only present for specific projects or missions. Voyager was in a unique situation. It's possible that Seven declined formal rank, the Maquis crew were all enlisted by Janeway though.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It may depend on the type of mission. TOS was a deep space 5 year mission, unsuitable for civilians. Maybe Pike's mission is just to pootle around within Federation borders. I prefer it if civilians are only present for specific projects or missions. Voyager was in a unique situation. It's possible that Seven declined formal rank, the Maquis crew were all enlisted by Janeway though.

For a “Deep Space Mission” they sure spent a lot of time within Federation borders playing ferry boat, space cop and border patroller

 

[Tallguy]

For a “Deep Space Mission” they sure spent a lot of time within Federation borders playing ferry boat, space cop and border patroller

Which sounds like Kirk's description of the mission at the beginning of the un-aired version of Where No Man Has Gone Before.

Of course Pike's opening narration ALSO says "Five Year Mission". So flip a coin.

 

[cooleddie74]

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[Jedman67]

It may depend on the type of mission. TOS was a deep space 5 year mission, unsuitable for civilians. Maybe Pike's mission is just to pootle around within Federation borders. I prefer it if civilians are only present for specific projects or missions. Voyager was in a unique situation. It's possible that Seven declined formal rank, the Maquis crew were all enlisted by Janeway though.

Who knows what Starfleet thinks is unsuitable for civilians.
And the majority of the Maquis crew had previous starfleet training; having either washed out in the academy or left the service at a relatively low rank.

And (not to reopen the whole debate) Starfleet exhibits military traits, it does plenty of non-military work as well, which would make it easier to include non starfleet, civilian members into it's crew on occasion.