Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x10 - "Hegemony"

[JoeZhang]

I’m not sure about small universe as has been discussed here - for the TOS crew to assemble they have to start showing up at some point. These experiences being *why* they want to serve on the Enterprise.

edit: doh - that’s what you get for coming late to thread - same point made just above.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I’m not sure about small universe as has been discussed here - for the TOS crew to assemble they have to start showing up at some point. These experiences being *why* they want to serve on the Enterprise.

edit: doh - that’s what you get for coming late to thread - same point made just above.

Sometimes people just transfer.

 

[Kzinti]

the xenogorn are so good design wise they're an actual threat and not a complete joke like the rubber suit was but oof i now know what people felt after best of both world .

as for season 3 i hope betel survive and for scotty to join the crew under pelia which was underused this season.

overall i greatly enjoyed this episode 10/10

 

[Trekker4747]

Sometimes people just transfer.

Some people juggle geese.

 

[Deks]

Oh, now I know what the SNW Gorn remind me of...
Their faces are almost a dead rip-off of Scarrans from Farscape... but with added Xenomorph features.

Honestly, I think I preferred the Gorn as seen in ST: Enterprise In the Mirror Darkly... that at least had more lizzard like features and was an upgrade over the 60-ies version... it was very CGI looking at the time, but would it have been an issue to just use that as a base model and upgrade it again visually to today's standards?

In fairness, I do think they changed the Gorn way too much from what we knew.
But if the moving of Eugenics Wars 50 years further down the line affected the Prime Timeline that much... I guess they are using it as an excuse to change other things (though, this shouldn't affect the Gorn in virtually any way).

 

[AresB]

Until we have more information, we can headcanonize that there are different castes of Gorn. Leaders, such as the TOS Captain, have different body types and probably mental capabilities than common footsoldiers. The latter are the ones who begin their lives hunting for prey, and the fittest survive to serve in the Hegemony fleet.

Let the timeline changes be the last lampshade when all other possibilities are exhausted, not the first.

 

[jackoverfull]

This episode didn’t really resonate much with me, don’t know if it was because it’s yet another aliens ripoff or for the internal fallacies.

I mean, first they discuss that there may be survivors on the saucer, then they forget completely about it and go with “let’s crash it”, then turns out that Chapel had in fact survived…how come she was the only one?! And what was that XenoGorn doing there anyway?

Also, at this point it’s just not possible that Kirk doesn’t know about the Gorn: Starfleet considers them a huge threat while he’s a first officer! I wish they had just gone with a new species (one would think they had learned after that mess with the Klingon redesign).

The rest of the episode…Meh, just nothing really interesting honestly. Also, the CGI for the Gorn youngling and the effect of Spock and Chapel in space were surprisingly bad for these days.

Didn’t feel the need to see scotty (and…bad grades? Scotty?) but ok, Batel being infected was obvious as otherwise it wouldn’t have been Aliens.

7. just because the acting was good, as were some of the other effects.

 

[4Lights]

Great ep but the Gorn look lame to me. They are trying to make them very scary but it aint workin. There were a bunch of 'but what if' moments. It's like the writers are not thinking things through. But whatever, its the best Trek in a long time, so I will live with it. My favorite part was Pelia talking to Scotty. My best student who got the worse grades made me lol. I had to pause the show.

 

[Rahul]

Yeah I am thinking they're trying a little bit too hard to make the Gorn into the next Borg - an existential horror threat. Where they would have been totally fine as "just" a completely alien reptile threat.
Basing your whole main enemy so close on another work (Alien's infection) does the show no good. Last time I think Trek borrowed this much was the Hirogen/Predators. And that IMO worked only because they never repeated Predators plot points, and instead went all the way how to integrate a hunter species into the Trek verse. With the Gorn - the big dramatic moments (character infections, younglings, swarm in colony,...) are literally the same. (That's why I loved the Gorn in the space suit so much - this was something new and different!)

Also, it's the second time now we have Aliens on a destroyed Enterprise-like ship...

Still enjoyed the episode on an emotional level a lot though.

 

[ananta]

On the whole, I really enjoyed this, it was nicely setup and reasonably tense and engaging throughout. I was totally not expecting to meet Scotty and he did a great job, too (and the actor is actually Scottish so has a real Scottish accent, touch of Glaswegian to my ear.) I’m delighted this didn’t signify the immediate death of Pelia. Once I got used to the bizarre accent, I found Carol Kane a gem even though she was given all of eleven lines all season. More please, next season.

Where this episode fell apart for me was the fact Christine was the only survivor on the saucer section. I mean, come on, REALLY? Then, the fact she catches sight of both the Enterprise and Spock flying past the window she just happens to be standing next to. It was such weak, unlikely writing that these sections really took me out of the episode. I mean, we have a team of writers and about 250 executive producers, so why didn’t any of them point out the improbability and general weakness of the writing in these scenes?

I also truly hate what they’ve done with Spock and Chapel this season; it doesn’t, to my mind, fit with the established continuity and it’s been pretty weak, Trek 90210 fluff. It needs to be ended and forgotten about soon. The Spock characterisation in general this season hasn’t sat well with me even though I think Ethan Peck is fantastic I’m the role.

The rest was fine, though. I’d already guessed that Batel had been infected by Gorn eggs but fully expect some way to resolve this in the next episode. Speaking of which, I wasn’t expecting a full on cliffhanger. Any other Trek captain wouldn’t have needed to stop and deliberate on whether to save their people. Pike needs to get out his kitchen more and work on his command mojo next season. Although I guess its possible the advance knowledge of his fate has compromised his confidence in making decisions.

The main thing that bothers me is the fact this show won’t be back for likely two years. That’s a long time and unfortunate to end on a cliffhanger. But, eh, as Trek fans we’ve had to deal with infinitely worse the past few decades. We’ll get by. At least we have the final season of Discovery to look forward to.

 

[Sigma101]

I gave it a 6/10. They did young Scotty justice. Traditional Star Fleet miracle worker. The end was a nice callback to Sisko in Way of the Warrior where he had to make an executive decision to intervene and I was just thinking of that scene the other day and how well it was done. Pike is a go getter so we know what he will choose but he is no Sisko. The rest of the episode was mediocre, seen too much genre tv and movies and was just retread. They are handling the Gorn well at least as they feel like a big threat.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

The colony also reminds me of Farmington, Maine.

 

[Mudd]

The new Gorn are improvements in every respect.

If I were "trying to get someone into Trek" i would show them this episode rather than BOBW. Any episode of this series, in fact, before any episode of Roddenberry/Berman Trek.

Lots of people want to live that small town life now, why not three centuries from now? People don't appear to have changed in any other way.

 

[Mudd]

Pike is a go getter so we know what he will choose but he is no Sisko.

True. Mount can actually underplay a scene or a line. He's a more nuanced actor than Brooks or Shatner.

 

[jackoverfull]

Great ep but the Gorn look lame to me. They are trying to make them very scary but it aint workin.

indeed. Even the Xenomorphs stopped being scary decades ago, a cheap knockoff isn’t going to make it.

 

[Mudd]

Well, Trek's got nothing "scarier," so...

 

[jackoverfull]

Well, Trek's got nothing "scarier," so...

So why are they copying scary movies?

 

[valkyrie013]

If they wanted to live in a Apartment complex thats 20 stories.. they would have stayed on Earth or in the Federation.
Plus, they really didn't say how long the colony has been there, maybe a year? I know its post scarcity, ai, robots and all, but some people like big open spaces, and the town center is a place to visit if you need anything, rest of the 5000 are living on there farms. Even in TOS you had farm planets, like shermans planet with the quadrotriticalie So its not beyond reason that it jsut a small town, and doesn't need a city yet.

 

[jackoverfull]

I loved the way the colony was depicted, trying to recreate the feel of an idealised 20th century USA is something that I can imagine people living in a post-scarcity society could do. I'm confused on why they didn't it within the Federation jurisdiction, though, as they were apparently humans.

 

[Tallguy]

It just occurred to me (and maybe I'm mixing up the points based on lack of coffee) that people think "MayberryLand" is anti-technology and yet backwards because it is "not walkable".

I would think that this town with a smaller population density would be more "livable" (especially with unlimited 23rd century energy) than those Fritz Lang monstrosities that we've been seeing since '09.

Gorn: Just watch. The big reveal next season will be when the Gorn leader walks out... And it looks JUST like Arena, only, you know, alive. Seriously, I would settle for one that could talk. Of course that would REALLY undermine Arena.

"Maybe you thought you were protecting yourself when you attacked the outpost." - James Kirk
"Sometimes a monster is just a monster." - Christopher Pike

Seriously, at this point the Federation has diplomatic ties with the Gorn government.

As I said, Star Trek has a long history of providing aid to colonies, outposts and science expedition.

This was all before. We're all Ian Malcolm now.

Spock claiming he was the only one that could place the rockets and everyone agreeing but no more explanation given. We as the audience have to assume why this makes sense.

Well, he's SPOCK.

So they were going into this with the understanding that most of the crew was on the surface, and that due to the massive and total damage to the Cayuga, there was unlikely to be any survivors on that ship.

Was that mentioned? Still unlikely, but better.

I was hoping we would see "Floyd's Barber Shop" on the window of the shop.

I was totally looking for it. Or maybe Edith Keeler's soup kitchen?

There were people saying during the early seasons of TNG that they were tired of the Klingon episodes and hoped Star Trek would forget about them.

Other that Gene Roddenberry, who are you talking about?